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[–] drthunder@midwest.social 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think if you voted for Democrats you get to complain, but if you were eligible to vote and didn't have to jump through a ton of hoops to do so you don't get to complain. This could have been avoided.

edit: to be clear, I don't think Democratic leadership really cares that we've got a dictator. But voting for them was harm reduction and too many people couldn't be bothered, whatever the reason.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why do people pretend that each election is in isolation? That if somehow we had all just voted for Harris even harder that America wasn't headed down this path anyway. This shit has been a plan of American politics since Ronald Reagan.

I'm not an "accelerationist" by any means. But it's just silly to act like this is a problem with voter turnout and only if we had "voted harder" it would all be fine. No. The entire system is fundamentally broken. That's how we got here.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

And the Democratic leadership allowed that to happen. The GOP did all of this in full public view.

The Democrats aligned themselves with Republicans on economic and labor policy under Clinton, they deregulated the media under Clinton, and they did nothing at all to counter the massive GOP controlled media empire. That's on them.

The Democrats are weak. Even now they blame everyone but themselves for their political failures. Mainly trans people and progressives. It's always the voters ' fault when they lose.

They completely ignore the fact that most Trump-voting independents voted for him because of the economy, not because of social issues. They gaslit us about having the "greatest economy in the world" while we're living through a housing crisis, record inflation, and a job market full of shitty work and a completely stagnant white collar sector.

Fuck the Democrats. We need to take them out like MAGA did the GOP.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

Unfortunately I don't think that that's possible. MAGA was able to take over the Republican party because they still fundamentally defend the interest of capital. It's why you still have career Republicans that criticized MAGA as a part of MAGA today.

The Democrats refuse to move left because leftist are anti capitalist and pro worker. They will never move that way because it is against their class interest and against the class interest of their donors. The most they will do is "allow" some slightly progressive voices like AOC into the party at "tokens". But they will never platform them or allow them to grow.

The Democrats will gladly lose elections if it prevents anyone left of Reagan from winning.

[–] drthunder@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't claim this election was in isolation but I agree with everything else you've said. We need people to vote for the harm reduction, and we need people to organize because our system of government is trash. Biden being in office gave us four years to organize with the usual amount of opposition instead of the federal government being ordered to go after anyone the fascists don't like; his response to the Gaza camps last year was fucked up but if/when something like that happens again, Trump's gonna have the military kill people.

I think this was inevitable too, it would have taken the people at the top choosing to fight fascism like the threat it is and I didn't/don't see that happening. I voted for Harris because it gives us breathing room, and if Trump doesn't survive the next four years it would be harder for the fascist movement to retain its power if they didn't have complete control of the government. At the same time I've been involved in activism for the last few years, because we need people to do both.