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[–] gabbath@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

There's a saying in my country: don't get drunk on cold water. Meaning don't gaslight yourself into wishful thinking, because hope can be a hell of a drug.

A third party win won't happen overnight. The only way you can realistically get it is with ranked choice voting. Otherwise you're stuck replacing Democrats (and why not, Republicans — in smaller races you can absolutely run a Bernie style progressive who keeps the focus on economics!) one by one because the institutions are already in place, and they're really powerful! Also, remember they're just institutions: parties don't have ideologies, people do.

And before you think to vote for people like Jill Stein or whoever else while hoping that maybe this year the miracle will happen (i.e. getting drunk on cold water), remember that there's a lot of groundwork that needs to be done by that candidate for them to be viable, and it essentially boils down to this: the whole country needs to know about that person and recognize them on the street come election year — if that's not the case, then they're either delusional, underfunded, or most likely an opportunist (possibly even an intentional spoiler paid by the opposition, like RFK was in the Dem primary).

Source: me. I've been on the third party hope train back in 2020, emboldened by "leftists" such as Jimmy Dore, BJG, Richard Medhurst, etc.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 12 minutes ago

A third party win won’t happen overnight. The only way you can realistically get it is with ranked choice voting. Otherwise you’re stuck replacing Democrats (and why not, Republicans — in smaller races you can absolutely run a Bernie style progressive who keeps the focus on economics!) one by one because the institutions are already in place, and they’re really powerful! Also, remember they’re just institutions: parties don’t have ideologies, people do.

You've basically got three options:

  1. Reform the party from within (this is how we got MAGA via the Tea Party).
  2. Replace one of the existing parties with a new one (this has happened a few times over the years, and failed many more).
  3. Change the underlying system in a way that doesn't inevitably collapse into a two party system. For example, approval voting. RCV is better than what we have, but it still has serious issues with spoiler effect and strategic voting, they just look a little different than they do under FPTP. STAR and Approval are much better, but STAR is comparatively complicated to explain and report on while Approval is dead simple.
[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

😇I agree 100%