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Discord was already succumbing to enshitification. Now with their intention to be owned by Wall Street, that trajectory will certainly accelerate at warp speed once the change of hands happens.

Anyone already get ahead of this and find a solid alternative?

Right now I'm on the fence between Element for Matrix, and Revolt. Both seem to have their pros and cons and I can't find a clear "winner".

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[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

There is a difference between willing information that you put out there and data gathering that goes on without your consent.

Public chats are not my concern. That’s information I’m putting out there willingly.

Location data is something I don’t want anyone collecting without my consent.

Why does Element need to know where I’m located? Why is that being gathered with my identifiers?

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know. I don't use Element; I wasn't aware it requested location service access. I switched to FluffyChat ages ago; it only asks for notification.

But that's just for group chat. I've been using Jami lately, and it does ask for location access; that's because it has a "share location" feature, that - if you use it - shows a little map with your location to the person you're sharing with. Maybe Element has implemented something similar?

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 1 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago) (1 children)

This is what shows up when I check Element. Every other Federated app that I use doesn’t collect any information. Voyager, Pixelfed, Peertube, Mastodon all come up with “No data collected”

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 39 minutes ago

Huh. I just checked Fluffy, and it asks for location, camera, and phone. I just denied it everything but notifications, so VOIP won't work, but all I use it for is chat rooms anyway.

In any case, it doesn't look any better than Element, in that respect.

[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Are you specifically referring to the mobile client of Element? i wasn't away of anything with the desktop client that has anything to do with location.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 1 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 45 minutes ago)

This is what shows up when I check Element. Every other Federated app that I use doesn’t collect any information. Voyager, Pixelfed, Peertube, Mastodon all come up with “No data collected”