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what do you call a nazi hq set on fire?
a good start.
a good start to the Nazis taking over completely maybe
they've already taken over. this is retaliatory, and therefore not analogous.
Hitler was chancellor already when the reichstag fire started. What it did was allow him to seize absolute control. We're not there yet. Courts are still ruling against trump. Elections haven't been cancelled yet. It's a mistake to assume things are already as extreme as they're going to get.
they're currently disappearing people for looking funny and sending them to blacksites to be abused and tortured just for the sake of it, and they're not obeying court orders. they also have already had the Supreme Court give them a get out of jail free card for literally anything the president may do. they're decimating the institutions on the demands of an unelected, unofficially acting billionaire. they're literally erasing women and black people as well as other minorities from history.
I think it's a bigger mistake to pretend they still have ways to go. this is through and through fascism. at this point, if they fire up the ovens, it will only be the continuation of their current actions, barely an escalation.
I think it's an even bigger mistake to think that starting a fire in a single state's party HQ is going to move the needle at all. It's not going to hurt them. It is going to give them ammo. Go big or go home.
who said anything about single
i think you missed or forgot the point of the joke in the original comment
Wasn't the fire that started everything done by the Nazis? It's not like we can stop them from framing us.
Which is why this stinks to high heaven of a false flag attack.
Ah you're right we should appease them instead, if we just be nice they'll stop deporting people
Maybe you're just a coward.
I, uhh, was being sarcastic. It is in fact allowed to do that on the internet, even if you don't actively announce it. But I definitely am a coward though.
Perhaps instead of saying stupid things on the internet you could spend some time reading up on WW2 history
Perhaps instead of being a big meanie pants you could look outside and realise that just because they're also nazis it doesn't mean everything has to happen 100% word-for-word the exact same way like some kind of shitty sci-fi movie. I get that the symbolism is compelling and everything. But nevertheless burning down nazi buildings is good, actually.
You're both right, and you both got my upvotes.
The current administration will absolutely use any unrest it can to solidify its grip, and they are, as @the_crotch@sh.it.just.works mentions, looking for just such an event to declare martial law.
But @pourous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml is also correct in understanding that this process has already begun, and that retaliatory actions are not specifically analogous, especially as it's very likely that the Reichstag fire was a false flag event engineered by the Nazis themselves as an excuse for Kristallnacht.
Will this kind of event help in the long term? I'm uncertain. On the one hand, it's really good to see resistance take physical form with the potential to inspire further action, but on the other, it means that the right can use it as an excuse to further oppress. Since the mass media has been captured by the right, it's most likely that the perception of this event will be tailored to reflect the latter.
So, unless this action created an impact on the GOP beyond simple property damage (like destroying lists of political opponents they're looking to deport), I think this action will likely backfire per @the_crotch's conclusion. However, that could be offset by the publicity inspiring further resistance on the left. And @pourous_grey_matter is very correct in understanding that we have a very small window of opportunity to act.
So kiss and make up - you're on the same side, and celebrate the fact that you can argue about tactics publicly.
We may not have that option for much longer.
Well said. We need to unite to counter this stuff. The right is definitely united. Fascism is very attractive to the average voter.
I like you
History doesn't exactly repeat. It sometimes rhymes. Just because it happened one way doesn't mean it'll go the exact same way again.
I agree. I also don't see any way in which burning down a small GOP office helps anyone but trump.
Just one, no.
Oh brother.. here we go... I remember hearing all this Hitler bullshit during Trump's first term..
Yes, and rightfully so.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-law-trump-hitler-00132427