Cross-posted from "Evergreen" by @InevitableSwing@hexbear.net in !slop@hexbear.net
this post was submitted on 04 Apr 2025
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For how much emphasis liberals put in elections, they're terrible at winning them
More money in running, losing and being the controlled opposition, it gives them the excuse for why nothing good happens.
On purpose. They want to think people elections are important and all people should be doing, but manipulate the system in a way that nobody inspiring or capable is ever able to be the candidate. Therefore people get disillusioned and burnt out out of constant useless votes and just do nothing.
Many Americans who publicly discuss politics online will not discuss exit poll results.
If the USA states were individual countries most would flunk the United Nations guidelines. Yet, other than discussing some of the more minor violations, most will ignore the topic.
It’s a giant echo chamber shared across the political spectrum in the states, and it definitely drives out many voices who would otherwise talk about it. There is no champion to rally around for electoral reform. So the politicians in states that have proper ballot counting will not criticize the states that flunk the guidelines.
What I am taking about took decades to get to this way, and will take decades to undo perhaps
You can’t say voting is useless if people aren’t voting. 90M eligible voters abstained in 2024. Trump won with 77M votes. That means there were 13M more people that did absolutely nothing than the winning majority.
We also only see ~20% turnout in congressional Democratic primaries, yet people call for term limits. Rather than asking the system to passively replace Congress, maybe we should actually participate in the elections that allow active replacement of our electors.
Condoning or defending apathy is no different than voting for your opponent.
Parliamentary voting is completely useless. Less than useless even. More than hundred years of republican democracies, and all it's led to is fascism, wars and climate apocalypse. All beneficial progress has come from direct action from the working class.
I'm not defending apathy. I'm suggesting anarchism. Check which comm you are in.
You really need remedial history if you think every capitalist society has declined into fascism.
The ones that haven't just haven't made it there yet. Fascism is capitalism in decay.
There is zero reason to believe every capitalist economy declines into fascism when you can easily make the case that only two fascist nations have existed up to this point (Germany and Italy).
Mmmhmm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fascist_movements_by_country
A list of fascist movements isn’t going to be a list of nations that instituted fascism. Im not sure what you thinks this proves other than that you didn’t stop to think if this actually proved your point.
Oh look, you hurt their wittle liberal fweelings.
Is the example you're thinking of but can't post real?
When you phrase it like that I literally can't think of a single example of Capitalism that doesn't end up like the game of Monopoly...
No what I am saying is you need to relearn basic history if you think every capitalist nation has become fascist. Only two to five have depending on how you define fascism. That leaves 150 or so that haven’t.
Nah actually you need the history lesson if you still Capitalism = Mercantilism
Capitalism has existed less than 100 years
Really, capitalism started sometime after 1925? And yet Das Kapital was written about 150 years ago, building on David Ricardo’s early 19th century work and Adam Smith’s 18th century work.
Capitalism goes back at least as far as the English enclosure of the commons, which left peasants with no option but to sell their labor to burghers, AKA the bourgeoisie. The American Revolution was a bourgeois revolution[1].
Nobody asked for your revisionist history CCP bot
Go back to containment tankie scum
A Wikipedia-level understanding of the history of capitalism shows that this isn’t “revisionist history.”
I’ve been here ten times longer than you, and I don’t intend to go anywhere. In my experience people who fling insults and bot accusations everywhere they go don’t usually last very long. You’ve already managed to get yourself permabanned from several communities and at least one instance.
and all that to end up with Trump!
they don't "just do nothing", they vote for an ignorant greedy asshole who will break the status quo.
I despise Trump but i don't remember, in i don't know how many countries, another politician who actually did what they promised. (except that "groceries" promise 😅