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A new Innofact poll shows 55% of Germans support returning to nuclear power, a divisive issue influencing coalition talks between the CDU/CSU and SPD.

While 36% oppose the shift, support is strongest among men and in southern and eastern Germany.

About 22% favor restarting recently closed reactors; 32% support building new ones.

Despite nuclear support, 57% still back investment in renewables. The CDU/CSU is exploring feasibility, but the SPD and Greens remain firmly against reversing the nuclear phase-out, citing stability and past policy shifts.

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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

People really don't understand that climate change is worse for life on this planet than a million Fukushima accidents.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And ironically enough, Fukushima and Chernobyl have not been that bad for plant and animal life. The area around Chernobyl is thriving because most humans are gone.

Sources: https://www.unep.org/news-and-stories/story/how-chernobyl-has-become-unexpected-haven-wildlife

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/060418-chernobyl-wildlife-thirty-year-anniversary-science

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It also caused a bunch of Russian soldiers to get sick because they dug holes in the ground. It isn't a nuclear paradise, and I'm not interested in Chernobyl-grown food, but it isn't a complete wasteland, either.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I was talking specifically about plant and animal life.

It's obviously not a paradise, but what I mean is, ionising radiation is literally less harmful to them than human presence. That's pretty bonkers to think about.
Leave that zone alone, let nature take over again and make it a monument to human hubris.

I don't think I talked about growing food in irradiated ground though? But, we currently are growing food in polluted ground thanks to fossil fuels (microplastics, coal dust, oil leaks, fracking in some backwards ass countries, etc.).

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 20 hours ago

So how are burrowing animals doing? I've seen pretty pictures of deer and trees, how are the rabbits and foxes? What are their lifespans compared to those in other regions?

Just because the animals don't look like cutscenes from The 100 doesn't mean their life is idyllic, or even better than elsewhere. And all those animals are eating food grown in irradiated ground. Now, whether that's better or worse than microplastics and fossil fuel waste and leakage is another interesting question.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org -1 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Fukushima isn't the big argument against nuclear.

IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The "expensive" argument is bollocks.

It's not too expensive for China, South Korea, Japan, the USA, France, the UAE, Iran, India, Russia.

The countries without nuclear will deindustrialize and the countries with nuclear will outcompete them.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The countries without nuclear will deindustrialize and the countries with nuclear will outcompete them.

Where is the evidence for that claim?

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Germany is the obvious evidence for that claim. Their once great industry is doing really bad due to high energy prices. Which is why even they are second guessing the Energiewende.

Despite insane levels of investment in renewables, they are still stuck on gas en lignite and have very high energy prices.

Merkel's bet that Russian gas could always be depended on didn't work out.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 1 points 18 hours ago

Merkel is a conservative. Their party stopped the original long term nuclear phase out, the original long term renewables build phase. Germany had a lot of photovoltaic industry back then. But the conservatives stopped the funding instead of phasing it out slowly.

It's all intentional mismanagement here for the profit of some energy CEOs and politicians

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The sabotage of solar and wind energy by Altmaier during the CDU government has had a bigger impact than the removal of the few percent of power we got from nuclear. Not to mention that nuclear fuel has the exact same problems as fossil fuels in that major sources of nuclear fuel are in Russia.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 17 hours ago

You guys have your heads so far up your asses, billions of subsidies for renewables were "sabotage".

If only even more billions would have been thrown against it, surely then it would have worked.

German anti-nuclear religion is so persistent and dogmatic, I'd rather debate the Taliban on Islam.

Luckily the smart Germans are changing course, as polls continue to show.

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 3 points 1 day ago
[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Wait until you see the price of climate change and not moving away from fossil fuels then

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ah yes, that's why we should invest money into an expensive form of energy instead of a cheap one, that will help us displace fossil fuels!

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Hate to break it to you, bud, but energy is already priced according to how expensive it is to provide.

It's not about "this energy source vs. that energy source." It's about increasing the supply of available energy.

Read a book on energy and you'll quickly realize that as we produce more energy, we consume more. Right now, our energy needs are not being met even with fossil fuels + nuclear + renewables.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world -1 points 23 hours ago

Hate to break it to you, but with a limited amount of money you can only increase your generation so much. Choosing a power source that's less efficient from a monetary perspective means you can displace less fossil fuel.

Read a book on mathematics if you don't believe me.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Wait what I am 100% pro renewables...

If nuclear somehow were the only option, I would support it. But it's the worst option.

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How do we supply power when renewables aren't enough?

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

Sodium ion backup batteries and other backup tech. This also helps to decentralize the grid if you place these batteries in neighborhoods.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Completely moving away from fossil fuels with just renewables is a pipe dream. Nuclear is not a panacea and it has its problems but it's part of the solution to get rid of fossil fuels entirely.