I've joined Lemmy.ml. Someone sent me a link to a video posted on Feddit.nl - I thought I could log in and upvote/comment using my Lemmy.ml credentials. Wrong!

Why is this? Sorry for my ignorance, I'm relatively new to the fediverse. But I thought that they were all federated so you can interact with all instances??!

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[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm fine with differing opinions, if done in good faith. I'm not fine with people being nasty (personal attacks, name-calling) and mods being extremely biased (e.g. banning people for criticising Russia, China, North-Korea). I don't need such toxicity in my life.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

In my experience the only nastiness I face are from people who attack me for being a """tankie"""

Lemmygrad's moderation if quite strict so I can understand why liberals wouldn't be interested, and hexbear doesn't shy away from personal attacks on liberals, but lemmy.ml seems very reasonable to me.

[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Unreasonable moderation (e.g. bans for warning against romanticising the Soviet Union and Stalin) happens on lemmy.ml too. Please have a look at the link I posted in my previous comment.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Please link to a specific example and don't dump a gish gallop of stuff on me that I have to sift through myself. What I see is a lot of complaining about Rule #1 which specifically says to be civil and nice, and people being banned for not being civil or nice. Nothing unreasonable about it.

[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

The example I referenced is https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&modId=26&userId=9458793

But the problem is that it's not an isolated case. You do need to take into account that this is regular practice, as shown in the multitude of cases.

Anyway, either you look into it, and find, like I did, that they are unreasonable and toxic, or you don't.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't really come across as "civil and nice" to me, but okay.

So I have had similar experiences with liberal instances. Why is it okay for my comments to be removed and for me to get banned for acknowledging that NATO encirclement of Russia exists or that the Euromaidan was a coup or that the US/NATO sabotaged ceasefire negotiations early in the conflict or that the goal of the war is to kill as many Russians as possible?

I accept being treated like this, because I understand that when I'm in lemmy.world or other liberal instances I am going to be speaking out against the liberal consensus. It's their instance, they can moderate how they like and I accept that.

So when I see lemmy.ml doing the same thing to liberals it's hard for me to see the problem.

[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, the Tankie Triad is free to moderate as they wish too. And other instances are free to block them. And I am free to warn unsuspecting newcomers.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

There's a difference, I think, between instances moderating as they wish and blocking entire instances. That should really be the last resort.

Just let mods be mods, there's no need to turn this into some kind of Lemmy civil war and start unpersoning your enemies.

This sectarian shit really sucks.

[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

When instances become instruments of propaganda for Putin/Xi/Kim and ban people who expose such propaganda, they fully deserve to be blocked. They've become instruments of the enemies of civil society.

It's the moderation practices of those instances that put them in the corner of "sectarian shit". The rest of us don't need to tolerate such toxicity.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

But when instances become instruments of propaganda for NATO/US/EU and ban people who expose such propaganda, that's fine.

I tolerate the toxicity of .world and other liberal instances, but maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I should just join lemmygrad so I never have to get attacked again for disagreeing with the liberal consensus and be treated like an enemy. I'd probably hit myself less.

But I don't think we are enemies. I think that, too, is propaganda.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 hours ago

I'd like to know what you're saying is eu/usa propaganda on lemmy. As far as I've seen, people here are extremely anti usa at a minimum.