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[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Plants don't have an agent that feels negative or positive feelings. Its stimulus-response system starts and stops at that. Animals on the other hand can experience suffering and pleasure, and and it's morally wrong to inflict the first and deny the second

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 16 hours ago

suffering and pleasure, and and it’s morally wrong to inflict the first and deny the second

this is only true under a limited set of moral beliefs. most people aren't utilitarians though

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Plants don’t have an agent that feels negative or positive feelings.

you can't prove that

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

you can’t prove that

I also can't prove that you have one. It's not a standard we operate under.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I also can’t prove that you have one

so it's probably not a good basis for making moral decisions

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

It is. You're already doing it, otherwise you will be having zero problems with killing and eating random humans. You just put your line at believing that humans have agency, even though you just as much can't prove that.
We have pretty good understanding of how biological organisms operate at this point. We don't need to spend generations on disproving solipsism anymore.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You just put your line at believing that humans have agency, even though you just as much can’t prove that.

you're projecting.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think it means what you think it means.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

you're projecting your values and ethical system onto me.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No, I just assume you aren't eating humans. Because it's the only way we can continue this conversation.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 13 hours ago

you also assumed my reasons

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 16 hours ago

You’re already doing it, otherwise you will be having zero problems with killing and eating random humans.

no, that's not the basis of my moral decisions