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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (4 children)

trump's danger is in his charisma, which vance lacks. even with his gifts, he would be less effective

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Exactly. The only reason Trump became The Führer is his ability to basically hypnotise the morons with his insane ramblings. Something he has in common with a certain failed painter from Austria, incidentally.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, Vance is a lot smarter, but he does not have the sauce. He could do a lot of damage in the next couple years, but the GOP would get roasted in 2026

I mean, they're gonna get roasted anyway, but at least the MAGA cultists are gonna show up to vote for daddy Trump. If he dies, the cultists stay home.

Vance is a lot smarter,

that bar is so low the ants ain't limboing under it

[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

This is very wishful thinking, you greatly underestimate the number of stupid and evil people in this country.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

He doesn't need charisma if we will have the whole cult behind him. It's the story old as time, if any cult survives for at least a generation, it always goes like that. Charismatic and slightly insane leader starts it all, ruthless evil angry greedy follower takes over after his death.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

But will the cult accept a new leader or will they splinter among Donald’s disciples?

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Mormonism did. Scientology did.

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago

If he needed to be elected, I agree 100%. But since he's VP, he assumes the presidency if Trump is no longer president. His lack of charisma doesn't really stop him from doing anything.

A few months ago when he was arguing that judges shouldn't be able to interfere with the president's executive power, he was arguing what right wing Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule has been arguing for a long time.

Vance and Vermeule believe that the constitution should be interpreted to enforce law and order rather than to protect liberty. Vermeule has written extensively about the legal architect of the Nazi agenda, Carl Schmitt. Schmitt used legal means to grant Hitler unchecked executive power. He argued that it is the job of the leader to protect the law, and because of this. Führerprinzip essentially allowed the German constitution to remain in name only and placed Hitler's will above all written law. So, because it was Hitler's will, when he began proposing genocide as necessary for the good of Germany, there were no legal means to stop him from carrying it out.

This is why Vance argues against federal judges. It's not that he doesn't understand checks and balances, it's that he wants to destroy them. He wants an Americanized Führerprinzip, that will allow the executive power legal authority over all written law.

He hopes that if he normalizes that idea and pushes it enough, eventually others will accept it as common knowledge. Vermeule and supreme court justice Alito are also Catholic integralists, and believe that medieval inspired Catholic faith should be the basis of public law. Alito flew a flag in support of the Jan 6 insurrection attempt. His judicial decisions and most of the right leaning members of the SC almost always side with Trump. He would definitely sell this country and argue the constitution allows for something like American Führerprinzip if it also meant Catholic integralism would be adopted by those in power. There are also several powerful Catholic integralists involved in the Heritage Foundation and project 2025.

I really think Vance converted to Catholicism so recently bc he knew that it would make him more attractive to the Catholic integralists. It seems like Peter Theil may have been the main reason he did.

Sorry to ramble, but the T.L.D.R. if you want to see the scariest aspects of project 2025 come true (like the IRL handmaid's tale) without any legal means to stop them from happening, then Vance is your man to get the job done.