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We have the “white mirror” thing. It’s called Star Trek.
They don't want the socialism part though. They still want to be rich.
Well then they can have The Culture instead. Every citizen of the Culture has a big house, and gets to spend all day going to parties and doing extreme sports. Every citizen is as well off as a real world billionaire.
Because they're anarchists.
That requires giving control of society over to AI though. I'm not sure we're there yet
The Minds don't control society. One guy decided that Masaq' Orbital's badlands should be covered in pylons with a gondola network to travel between them using wind power. So he convinced a bunch of people to work with him, and they made it happen. Even though Masaq' Hub doesn't like the pylons.
The Culture doesn't control its citizens. They can do whatever they want. The Minds just help out.
Huh, I thought it was made pretty clear that the power distribution in society is such that the minds run the whole show and more or less keep the humans around as pets out of good will.
Kinda like if your dog wants to go for a walk, you can take it, but that doesn't mean the dog is in charge
The Minds don't use fences or leashes. The Minds have more power, sure. They look after the factories and keep the trains running. But power doesn't mean control in a society without coercion. The Culture doesn't have laws.
No shared leadership, no competent women, no non-white people then?
Edit: those are the good parts about Star Trek as a show back then when it first aired and are still good.
It's difficult to be wrong three times in a row when talking about a very broad subject but you managed to do it anyway
somehow you missed the dripping sarcasm. he's pointing out the things that conservatives would be mad about and label as socialism.
I have nothing against Star Trek and lots of grievances against tech bros. I'm sorry if my phrasing suggested differently.
Are you OK ?
I'd rather not share the fandom with those people. They would probably hate in anyways.
I semi enjoyed the recent shows, felt like discovery didnt have one competent man tho, giving all the male archetypes/tropes to woman was interesting, just kinda wanted one man to not be incompetent and an idiot for 5 seconds
if 13 year old me watched it I wouldve dropped it and never touched star trek again, why is it so hard to just go 50/50 actual equality in the far hopeful future, the animated show did it a lot better. Strange new worlds was a bit better for me to watcg too, but felt like the opposite issue from discovery.
Need to see the episode of star trek now where populism destroys the federation from the inside.
"populism" happens because living conditions decline and the powers that be are unwilling or unable to address it. Why would that happen in a space-faring civilization with replicators?
Yes of course. But these are geniuses at work arguing about incredibly stupid things so best leave them to it.