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Germany updates: Scholz says AfD ban 'must not be rushed' (www.dw.com)

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I hate right wing extremists, but they are probably there necause of a reason, like feeling unjustky treated, kremlin propaganda etc etc, you have to deal with the underlying problems (too).

Yes, this I agree with, but that's not a reason to wait. Banning fascist parties gives time to the current system to actually solve (or pretend to solve) the underlying problems. It might give another 8 years in Germany because the nazis will need to rebuild, find investors, find new candidates, change their rhetoric, and so on. Right now, the system most likely has 4 years to tackle the reasons people vote for fascists and that simply isn't enough.

The next election could spell the end of democracy in Germany. Wouldn't you want more breathing room?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world -4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The next election won't spell the end of democracy in Germany, as it won't in the USA (and the US is way worse off), or so I believe.

Also, what's up next, banning leftist parties? You're not a German so look up how it all panned out when they banned political parties last time there.

All I'm saying is it's not a simple swift way of dealing with it all, or as someone said ; to every complex problem there is a simple, easy to understand solution that is wrong.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Also, what’s up next, banning leftist parties?

This isn't about left or right it's whether or not a party's aims include dismantling democracy. You can be as left or right as you want as long as you aren't in bed with tyranny. Quoth the BVerfG:

The free democratic basic order can be defined as an order which excludes any form of tyranny or arbitrariness and represents a governmental system under a rule of law, based upon self-determination of the people as expressed by the will of the existing majority and upon freedom and equality. The fundamental principles of this order include at least: respect for the human rights given concrete form in the Basic Law, in particular for the right of a person to life and free development; popular sovereignty; separation of powers; responsibility of government; lawfulness of administration; independence of the judiciary; the multi-party principle; and equality of opportunities for all political parties.

to every complex problem there is a simple, easy to understand solution that is wrong.

Yes. One simple and wrong solution to the paradox of tolerance, for example, is to ignore it.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel like we're on the same page, I'm just cautious about the results of outrigyt banning a political party.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

And so is the BVerfG or they would have banned the NPD instead of saying "yeah they want to abolish democracy but are too small and insignificant to achieve it, so we won't ban them". They did lose state funding, though.