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Which cut line is correct? Don't know, both sides are screwed twisted beyond belief. This is the start cut, the first 2.5" inches are for kid's projects.... Another chance at loosing a finger or two. The worse part is that these were the best picks of the day. Every other 2X6 (1.5x5.5 for the non-retarded among us) were worse splintered, bent, twisted. They need to dry the wood slowly in a well spaced stack. I wouldn't wish any of this wood on anyone for anything.

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

15 years ago, I built an extension on a barn stall to suit my wife's draft horse.

I am not a carpenter.

I was not trained. I had no experience.

What I had was Home Depot, and I'd seen enough framed work and enough videos about people building buildings, and the belief that I could "figure it out." Also, this was a barn in rural country, and people wouldn't be living in it so I wasn't too concerned. So I bought a Saws-All and cut a giant hole in the side of the barn.

Long story short, I did figure it out, and it wasn't half bad. Framing the roof gave me the most trouble; I kind of understood the theory, but I had the feeling it wasn't as neat as it could be; it was the only part of the project that required joining. It had proper siding, a proper roof (with some composite corrugated roofing), and even a ventilated peak with corrugation foam under the top-thingy to frustrate wasps. It had a big-ass sliding door, which I bought pre-made. It had a12" ramp from the door into a paddock made of packed 3/4-minus (second hardest thing). The inside, like the rest of the barn, was just 1x4 horizontal planks, stained, which made everything easier. It didn't need to be fancy, and the ceilings were all open, so no ceiling work.

In the end, I learned several things:

  1. Home Depot has everything you need to build a small house, including truck rental to get the material to the house.
  2. I waaay overbuilt it, out of paranoia that I would under-build it. I had double supports every 16" and horizontal cross beams. Like the rest of the barn, there was no floor - it was all packed 3/4-minus - but I poured a 1'x3' concrete foundation over basebed gravel for the walls. I'm not certain anymore that the original barn had more that 4x4 posts sunk in concrete. I believe that, had I been experienced with building, I could have done the job with far less material.
  3. Home Depots wood is absolute shit. I screwed double 2x6s mainly to try to get the damned things straight enough to build on. And I bought only pressure-treated wood because I wasn't certain that my siding job would be perfect, but also because this was open to the elements.
  4. I learned to hate Phillips-head screws with a passion that's lasted the rest of my life so far.
  5. Someone with no experience can do something like build a glorified shed. A 14' tall, 16x16, sided and corrugated roofed shed, but a shed.

I was pleased with the result, and I'm grateful for Home Depot because there's no way I could have done that without them. Not within the season of weekends that it took me.

The only wood I'll buy from Home Depot is unfinished shelving wood. Their shelving stuff is outrageously expensive, but it's clean and straight, and properly cured.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I used to love Philips head screws until one day I tried torx. I'm never going back. I have some Philips around but you know the bits get worn and that damages screws. Sometimes you can't get the screws out. I just finished a large concrete wall project with all the forms held by the same 20 or so T25 screws. Its crazy how good and reusable they are.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Torx FTW. I only use Phillips in situations where Torx aren't available. They still aren't easily available in as many varieties as Phillips.

[–] MBech 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's an interresting difference. Where I am, you can't get construction screws with phillips. I don't know when we switched, but I started as a carpenter apprentice about 10 years ago, and back then everything was torx.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Damn. Where do you live? In general. I'm in the Minnesota, and it's almost easier to find Robertson screws, because Canada.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Robertson is always the correct answer.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

It's better than Phillips, for sure. I prefer Torx, myself, but as long as it isn't Phillips, I'm in.

[–] MBech 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Scandinavia, don't know about the rest of Europe, but up here philips is pretty much exclusively for cheap furniture.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 1 week ago

Oh, yeah. Phillips is dominant in the US; patents and marketing. Except on the Canadian border, where Robertson bleeds over a bit. But Torx is slowly making gains; franchises like Ace carry them. There's just not as much variety as Phillips yet. Even looking online, the only way you can get some types is by going to contractor sites where the options are buying 1,000 or more of the thing; I need, like, 2 screws to fix my door hinge. Places like Amazon US doesn't carry Torx door hinge screws.

I was taking to a guy at Ace a couple of years ago, and he was saying that Ace was slowly switching to Torx inventory - more baskets were being dedicated to Torx screws every year. The conversion is just very slow.

[–] snausagesinablanket@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

^This guy screws^

[–] sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I learned to hate Phillips-head screws with a passion that’s lasted the rest of my life so far

You sound Canadian. You're ready to enter the wonderful world of Robertson screws.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 6 days ago

I'm not! But I like very close to them, and the hardware stores around here usually have at least some Robertson.

I do prefer Torx, but failing that I'd chose Robertson.