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Absolutely bonkers to go “40% of the state voted against Trump, therefore everyone here wanted and deserves to have the measure they passed by 58% overturned.”
Also there are a lot of misinformed voters, who were told that things like P2025 are just jokes to "trigger the left".
I also hate the excuse - and I just heard Spicer use it most recently - about how donvict/Republicans are "just" triggering the left.
That is their fucking excuse for so much, and even IF they were "only" triggering the left - why the fuck are supposed adults in government spending any time at all trying to trigger the left? How is that even in the least bit responsible?
Even the excuse, taken at face value, is complete and total bullshit.
Being a misinformed voter is a choice.
They are not poor victims.
They are lazy asshats that wanted to believe obvious but comfortable lies, over having to do 10 minutes of work and dealing with uncomfortable truths.
I'm sick and tired of this handwringing for the poor, willfully ignorant voters who couldnt be bothered to question a single thing, or listen to anything that challenges their preconceived notions.
Not everyone is a terminally online leftist like us. You have to sell politics to the average hillbilly, not the average leftist theory reader.
This is the exact kind of apologia and handwringing that I'm talking about.
Treating them like they're some poor tribals on an isolated island whose only technology is fire and spear making who know not what they do.
They are not.
They are capable of asking questions. They actively choose not to, because they'd rather live in the comfort of the lie, then face the harsh reality of a truth.
Most of them have access to the sum total of human knowledge in their pockets (and in those slim minority of a minority of times when they cant, there are still other ways to access it all), which they refuse to use, because that would mean having to step out of their comfortable little sphere and face uncomfortable truths about the horrific things that they support and cant ever, in a thousand years, handle facing the harsh reality of.
Choosing to be ignorant is not an excuse, or makes them victims, or whatever other stupid bullshit people like you try to label them as.
Why do they want to trigger the left
40% of the state did not vote against fascism. Your response is disingenuous and maliciously misleading.
33% of the state did not even bother to show up and vote. Not voting is tantamount to approval of either option.
https://www.sos.mo.gov/CMSImages/ElectionResultsStatistics/Nov2024OfficialVoterTurnout.pdf
Ok but then 60% didn't vote for fascism either, you'd have to compare it as 27% against, 33% don't care, and 40% for.
40% of people who voted didn’t vote for fascism. Using the votes of someone’s neighbors to determine whether or not they deserve healthcare is deranged.
We are making the same point in different ways. I agree with your premise and position.
There are consequences for our actions and our inactions. This is the theme I’m communicating with facts and data.
Truth and reality are often bitter pills to swallow.
There is not a way to justify ignoring human rights violations just because they live next to people who voted for Trump. What you’re describing is collective punishment, and it is unethical and inhumane.
It’s common sense and - here’s the catch -easily preventable.
You act like the voter turnout in missouri was less than most other states.
If we're counting people not voting as voting for fascism, then Trump has an overwhelming mandate to take over the nation.
Well, i mean - he did take over the nation, so - ?
He has the Presidency and is expanding its power. He doesn't have complete control... yet.
My point is that you can't count non-voters as being on either side. They contribute to the ultimate result by not reversing it, but you can't count them as being for the winner's positions.
Yes, you can. When you can't get off your ass to vote, then you're basically saying that you're fine with whatever happens. In this case risking fascism, which apparently was good enough for them.
By not voting, you're enabling whoever wins.
Then you're arguing Mr. Trump has a 70% mandate for his second term (~245M eligible voters, only ~75M went for Harris; third party and non-vote means Trump support).
I guess you think we should give him more of a chance to enact their will.
I do argue that.
I argue that the people who voted for him REALLY wanted him in office and the people who couldn't be bothered to vote at all were fine with any outcome, including Trump getting into office. So they may not be rabid supporters or active voters, but yes, they do support and enable him.
You know, people often think that not picking a side is some enlightened choice, that by doing nothing you're actually doing nothing. But nothing is farther from the truth. Doing nothing IS a choice. It's a choice to stay quiet and silently accept evil. It's a choice to stay quiet in the face of injustice, it's a choice to NOT help the victim. Staying neutral always helps the bully.
And we all know this. We learned this in kindergarten. Staying quiet always helps the bully. We knew this as kids, we witnessed it. Nobody gets to pretend they don't understand this dynamic as a grown-up. It is a choice and they made it.
Are these apathetics not still showing that he does? Are those non-voters of Missouri protesting or fighting back or are they just continuing on with whatever while willfully ignorant that their country has a fascist dictator who's holding people without trial in inhumane conditions or sending them to be tortured and killed in el Salvador.