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Let’s set the stage. Picture a semi-governmental company. Around $130 million in annual revenue. They build and operate very expensive things — in space. Hundreds of physical hosts. Nearly 4,000 VMs. Most of their IT stack, in fact, runs on our platform.

Are they paying customers?

No.

Are they using the fully open-source version, from source?

Also no.

Instead, they discovered our Xen Orchestra Appliance (XOA): a turnkey virtual machine, with Xen Orchestra pre-installed, regularly tested, easy to deploy and update (and yes, still running fully on-prem). A supported and stable experience, designed for teams that don’t want to git pull on master branch in production.

But they didn’t want to pay for it. So they came up with a creative workaround: abusing our 30-day trial (initially 15 days until recently), over and over again.

It all started back in April 2015 — yes, a full decade ago. At first, they used their corporate emails to request trials. One here, one there. Nothing suspicious. But over the years, the pattern grew. More emails. More trials. Enough that, when we looked back, we realized we could chart it. Literally. Here's what the "creative licensing strategy" has looked like over time:

As you can imagine, we ended up with what looked like the entire staff directory. Developers, sysadmins, managers… pretty sure we even had the janitor signed up for a trial at some point.

When those ran out, they switched to personal Outlook or Gmail addresses. Every time: starting with a new (real!) person with their… personal email, a new 30-day trial. And then go incrementally with it. johndoe01@outlook.com, then johndoe02@outlook.com… We're now well past johndoe60. Same company name, every time… which is impressive considering the field isn’t even required in order to register your account. Hard to say if it was a mistake, a flex, or just their way of making sure we didn’t miss who was milking the trials.

Yes, they’re that committed. Committed to not paying.

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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 7 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

As a small aside "Open Source Free Trials?" If it's open source, can't they just disable the trial part? I think (as usual) some essential nuance got destroyed converting this article to a ~~clickbait~~ ~~engaging~~ exciting headline.

To anyone that isn't aware of this: big companies don't give a fuck about anything except stock price going up. They will crush dreams every quarter to do this. They don't care.

If you don't like how a company is using your software and you're hoping they will have a conscience/heart... don't! Fix your license to make this use case illegal/impossible if it really matters to you.

Or, consider if Open Source is even the right license here (although I think the headline is a bit confused here)...

If you want this "fixed", tweak your license and/or send a cease and desist to that company and/or seek damages. Changing nothing and waiting for them to do the right thing, you're going to be waiting infinitely, because they will never do the right thing. They will do the thing that gets them the most revenue with the least spending. That's all you can count on.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Vates spun up xcp-ng off the xen hypervisor and created a great "vsphere" like management plane called xen orchestra. Its a fantastic hypervisor with vsan/built in backups/etc. With vmware self immoliating after selling to Broadcom, they are an ideal stand in for vmwares primary product. Their licensing costs are wildly reasonable, even before the vmware debacle.

They have gone from "a guy" to a 100 person company in the last few years while sticking by the FOSS ethic entirely. You can build the project from source, or even grab a few github scripts that build it for you. They have always been open and clear about letting you build it and use it however you like.

They know how to cut this abusive behaviour off. They are fully capable. They don't want to use those tools, legal or technical, because it goes against the spirit of FOSS, even if it's to stop someone else who is abusing the spirit of FOSS.

Being good people, they are using "name and shame" first, and are even so kind as to leave the "name" part out for now. I expect that they may make some changes down the line if the org, and maybe others playing this same game, dont play nicer.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 2 points 12 hours ago

They have always been open and clear about letting you build it and use it however you like.

I don't disagree with the want to license software like this. The downside then is a subset of "letting you build and use it any way you like" includes registering N trial accounts every 30 days. If this isn't actually spelled out as illegal under the license, some jerkbag will do it. I wish we didn't live in this world, but we do.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 12 hours ago

As a small aside “Open Source Free Trials?” If it’s open source, can’t they just disable the trial part?

Yes. There's a number of projects which distribute binaries which aren't as liberally licensed as the source they're built from. E.g. Ardour is another one. There's a demo version, subscriptions start as low as $1/month, $45 buys you the current major version and the next major version with all its updates, perpetual license. There's also the implicit understanding that if you don't pay up and want support, your bug reports better be developer-grade.

Basically it's a way to get artists who are used to either freeware or commercial offerings to donate. Also as far as DAWs go it's a fucking steal.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You're absolutely right

Having said that, it's tiring to see a billion dollar companies behaving like this. It's always the big ones, it's always the ones with shareholders that have to cut corners, cheat, lie, and steal.

Company sizes must be limited by law. No person shall own more than one company, no company shall employ more than 1000 people, any company with a net worth over 50 million has taxes go to 100% for any of the worth after those 50m.

Do this and instead of one large cheating billion dollar corporation, you'll have twenty smaller ones that compete and cooperate where needed. None will get too powerful, all will behave better

While at it, let's get rid of the investment coi as well

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 1 points 12 hours ago

Company sizes must be limited by law. No person shall own more than one company, no company shall employ more than 1000 people, any company with a net worth over 50 million has taxes go to 100% for any of the worth after those 50m.

Good luck with that one. Try to convince congress critters about this point of view while they take a second or two to look up from the pork barrel. I 100% agree this would be great, I just fail to see any possible way to get there.