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We’re seeing in the US that majority of the people are being apathetic or ignorant to what is going on as it doesn’t directly affect them, and others are pointing out that we’re on the same route as Germany. Once Hitler seized power and then later when the county split, what was life like for those people that didn’t say or do anything? Assuming they weren’t in a targeted class, did they just go on and live their lives normally? I know there was a drop in the quality of living for them, but did they not know any better? Was it a state of constant fear, or was there “no war in Ba Sing Se”

I’m just curious what majority of the population here would potentially experience.

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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If you expect liberation or standing up for good in the world to come from Germany, you will be disappointed.

[–] cmeio@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

If you have such a simplified world view, you will be disappointed too. If you can't see that the project of European integration, mainly driven by France and Germany, was standing up for good, I wonder what else you are thinking. As someone living in a bordering country I appreciate we didn't have wars within the EU in my life time.

Of course you can always ask for more, but thats just such a simplified take, its annoying.

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Merz was CEO of Black Rock Germany, we will follow Daddy Trumpys footsteps with eagerness in our delusional eyes

[–] cmeio@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why so focused on USA? Not a fan of Merz at all, but thinking he is cozying up to Trump is quite the leap. EPP parties are generally not super into Trumpism. Thats more the Putin-lovers in the real right, that do that

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The CSU, the bavarian sister of the CDU and party who runs the ministry of the interior had meetings with Trumps republicans to learn how to do Trumpism from them.

Merz said he supports Trumps demand for 5% of the German BIP being used for military expenses. That corresponds to half of the total government budget in Germany.

The new government is even more fiercely pro Israel than the previous one and like the US attacks the authority of the ICC and ICJ, which are core institutions of a rules based international order and by extension European integration.

[–] cmeio@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There is a big difference between critisising a government and damning a whole country. Critisizing the now governments stance regarding their stance on Israel is somithing else than what you said. The way how this is formulated above is just short-sighted and generalizing in the same way as those on the side of the fascists do...

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The government was elected by the people.

You are German or you are at least able to speak it well. You know what is going on. You know how it is consistent. You know how much the country has shifted back to the right/far-right. You know how supposedly progressive parties are complicit in this.

[–] cmeio@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I am not German, but I speak the language. Yes, I am aware of the political situation. But I don't think that dividing and alienating each other in generalisations is not something that is helpful for a democratic discurs.

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

to add to that, Merz was the chairman of a huge number of big corporations, said himself he travelled to the US over 170 times and is a "incorrigible optimist" when it comes to the USA (his words), he absolutely adores ultra-capitalism and has the exact same conservative ideas as the republican party. We sold out in order not to get the AfD elected, but elected a party that is just as extreme, just 5 years behind.

[–] cmeio@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don't get me wrong, I don't support what Merz is doing. And yes, he is conservative and a capitalist. But saying he is the same as AFD or Trump is dishonest and not-helpful. We have to fight fascism and have to be clear where we draw the line. Grouping the centre-right, conservative, pro-capitalist with the real fascist, is just deluding the focus. There is enough wrong in the world right now. Lets focus on the real fascists first:Trump, Putin, Xi and all their party-friends in Europe from ECR and PfE

[–] Allemaniac@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

he lost to Merkel twice, lost to Armin fuckin Laschet, lost to Scholz and was now only voted for because the alternative is even more radical conservative. We voted the lesser evil, not who is best suited for the job. He was Chairman of the Supervisory Board of BlackRock Germany, Commerzbank, Axa Versicherung, the DAX (german stock market), IVG (huge real estate group) and was chairman of many more lobbying groups and corporations. He is as corrupt as they come and has absolutely no interest in bettering the quality of life for the middle class and lower income families. He is working for billionaires, opposes immigration, hates change, calls for border checks in the Schengen-area, promotes heterosexual families, hates women (literally, he opposes a law that protects women from marital rape) and so much more. Like I wrote, give that party 5 years (especially CSU) and they will have the same demands as the AfD. After Isolation and border closing comes exit of the EU, exit of the Euro, Exit of NATO, until we are left alone and weakened enough to get pushed around again

[–] cmeio@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

A lot of that is absolutely also my opinion. But the slippery slope argument, that it will be worse in 5 years, I don't believe. There is no reason for them to become a radical-right party. Just because we don't like their policies, doesn't mean they are the same as the fascist parties. There is still a clear distinction between parties with shit policies, but in the democratic spectrum and literal fascists.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I mean, technically there was some from Austrians against Turks.