? nobody mentioned Israel. Well - you did, but not sure why. I take that back - I have an idea why. I'm sure I'm going to regret responding to a 2d old burner account - but, here we are.

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 1 points 2 hours ago

Because I read the title and it did sound like what Israel has been saying for days

[+] Transform2942@lemmy.ml -6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

You must be thinking of the genocide, this is the proxy war

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

this is the proxy war

IDK, really. True that NATO doesn't want direct involvement and wants Ukraine to kick Putin's ass. But it begs the question: is Russia a proxy for China or we just force the interpretation of the proxy war onto reality?

[–] Transform2942@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It was a throwaway quip but Wikipedia says:

a proxy war is an armed conflict where at least one of the belligerents is directed or supported by an external third-party power

So the Ukraine war fits squarely in that definition. Other examples I found cited online were Korea, Vietnam, and the Soviets in Afghanistan - all of which have a major power as one of the direct belligerents

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 0 points 6 hours ago

Yup, looks like it fits the definition without a stretch

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 11 points 20 hours ago

Well, no. It was supposed to be the start of Putin putting the USSR back together but those gloriously pesky Ukrainians keep kicking the shit out of that shithole.