Will this keep Redditors saying other alternatives like Lemmy are not worth it?

Lemmy sucks regardless what Reddit does. // Its not mutually exclusive, they both suck.

Every fucking thing sucks. If you want the perfect place, tough luck - you won't get it, ever.

So instead you look for the place that sucks the least, given your priorities. And when one place is becoming shittier by the day (like Reddit), the others (like Lemmy) do become more attractive.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The Great Shit Equilibrium

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup, pretty much.

And there's more: if, hypothetically speaking, we could make a platform completely shit-free, people migrating to that platform would bring their own shit with them, so the platform would be shitty again. As if there was some sort of equilibrium to be restored.

...I'm going to call this Le Shitalier's principle.

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

When reactants > shittiness the equilibrium lies to the right.

[–] JayGray91@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

the all-or-nothing folks just grinds my gears. they're here too lol, just different flavors.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Perhaps the relative amount of all-or-nothing folks is different, but you're right - they're here too. And everywhere in the internet.

In fact, I have a hypothesis that four donkeymen are to blame for most social media woes:

Decontextualisation - when some info or reasoning is present in the context, disregard it.
Assumption - when some info or reasoning is absent from the text, make the opposite up.
Oversimplification - when it's too much info or reasoning, disregard even critical bits.
Genetic fallacy - when the info or reasoning comes from a specific source, automatically label it true or false.

The all-or-nothing folks sit squarely at #3; for them gradients - like "Lemmy has some shit, Reddit has more shit, thus Lemmy is less worse than Reddit" - are hateful, too much info, too "hard", too "I don't understand, I'm so confused...". It's simpler to say "Lemmy has shit, Reddit has shit, both equal, EDIT WOW THANKS FOR THE GOLD KIND STRANGER!!1ONE".

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

Spot on

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The perfect place wouldn't allow them anyway.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The perfect place wouldn’t allow them [people bringing their own shit?] anyway.

As in, isolating the system? No perfect isolation is possible; and even if it was, it would limit the amount of information/entropy of the place. In other words the community would get stale and die.

We could pretend moderators are like Maxwell's demon, able to sift the newbies one by one; if they're bringing shit, don't let them in. The amount of energy necessary to do so makes it unfeasible.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No, im saying "no club that would have them could possibly meet their standards". That they are themselves a flaw they would not tolerate.

mods are like maxwells demon

I'm stealing this for my own personal concept of the world and ignoring the rest of what you said in favor of a more fun idea.

If we wish to achieve cosmism, we must make more forums with more moderators, and also ideally making them as small as we can. It's the only way. We can fix everything.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Got it - sorry for the confusion then!

And I need to admit that your take of the mod = Maxwell's demon thing is way more interesting.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago

your idea

Hey, credit where it's due. This is yours, im just running with it. The rest of what you're saying isn't about pseudo mystical hard scifi space communism though. Boring.