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[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ramos says 38% of the U.S. military are noncitizens, and believes thousands are being deported for non-violent crimes.

Holy shit that's wild. I had no idea the numbers were that high. I always knew the military targeted poor people, but didn't realize how nearly half of them weren't citizens.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago

Tried to dig around a bit, it seems a number the military doesn't keep very good or active track of. Seems to trend in the single percentages though.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had no idea the numbers were that high.

They're definitely not. First hand experience tells me that when a soldier enlists during in processing they start the process for naturalization. I saw several recruits that came in with me go through the paperwork with a drill instructor. If this 38% is "real" then it must be "all time". But modern military for sure it is not.

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 1 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

I think the 38% number is definitely wrong, maybe even wrong by one order of magnitude.

I tried fact-checking and came up with this:

https://providencemag.com/2018/04/what-a-country-immigrants-serve-us-military-well

Few Americans realize that 65,000 immigrants serve in the US military today. That number includes some 18,700 troops who hold green cards (in other words, legal permanent residents who are not yet naturalized citizens). According to the Pentagon, about 5,000 such residents enlist each year.

Since the total number of the US armed forces is around 1.3 million, it follows that 38% is definitely wrong and the correct number of immigrants is likely around 5%.

I think the 38% number originates from service member naturalization stats or service member family stats and has been mis-interpreted. Can't tell for sure, didn't hire a spy to find out. :)

P.S. Edit: found a secondary source with similar data:

https://www.usafis.org/can-i-join-the-us-military-as-a-green-card-holder/

Approximately 8,000 Green Card holders join the US military each year and around 35,000 are currently serving on active duty.

Since green card holders aren't the only variety of immigrant, the number 65 000 seems plausible.