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[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 16 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

i hope the tech will one day make slaughtering animals for meat a social taboo

like remembering the times before we had toilet paper...

However, the tech alone isn't even close to what's needed, remove mead subsidies. make it so it's a one every few days meal (like it used to be), not the core part of every meal.

also increase animal welfare regulation, so animals suffer less.

that will pivot farmers from meat production, and animal feed production to produce. we will need much less land to cultivate, so rewild them. IE, just abandon them and let nature reclaim it.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

remove mead subsidies.

We have mead subsides? Do we have a strategic mead stockpile? Can I get some fermented honey?

/j

I'm making mead in Vintage Story.... I should get a small bottle to remind myself why I don't drink the stuff.

[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 1 points 11 hours ago

that will pivot farmers from meat production, and animal feed production to produce. we will need much less land to cultivate, so rewild them. IE, just abandon them and let nature reclaim it.

I would argue, for the US, we should not rewild, but rematriate. Return the land to the tribes we stole it from and let them decide what to do next.

After all, Native Americans were the keystone species in every biome in North America for tens of thousands of years. Restoring the pre-Colombian ecology requires humans to occupy and manage the land. The myth of human-free American wilderness is settler colonial bullshit.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net -1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I'm on board with this, but, and I'm totally willing to be corrected if I'm wrong, abandoning our farm animals en mass seems like a bad idea. Especially pigs. Cows might fill the niche left by bison or aurochs, chickens are fucking suicidal and find unique ways to die whenever possible, but farm pigs turn into giant ass boar that aren't native and can genuinely harm people, property, pets and just generally wreak havoc. I'm not sure what a good alternative is, to be honest, since their current conditions are utterly cruel, but just turning them loose by the millions seems like something we'll regret a lot a decade later

[–] AlmightyDoorman@kbin.earth 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

A quick and dirty internet search says that a typical farm pig lives around 7 months. So you could ban every meat pig product in a year, stop breeding new pigs and just murder the old ones for meat and you would have no problem at all. So a grace period of less than a year is needed and you wouldn't have this problem. (I also seriously doubt that most farm pigs would be able to survive in the wild, but for that i am not knowledgeable enough. But e.g. modern chickens have a huge calcium deficiency which makes them not very suited for wildlife, there was an study that the average chicken at any given time has three broken bones.)

Or to put it in another way, we have to replace all farm pigs almost twice yearly anyway, so let's just stop replacing them.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That makes a lot of sense. My knowledge on feral farm pigs is anecdotal at best, but from what I've been told and understand (at work now, so not enough time to research it properly) hogs that get released or escape breed with wild pigs and create dangerous pigstrosities, but that may well be farmer lore/old wives tales for all I know

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago

My knowledge of the bovine threat comes from Some More News. the only news agency that isn't afraid to report the truth about pigs that the main stream media doesn't want you to know.

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

sorry, but definition not just releasing farm animals into the wild.

let's just have a gradual transition where frames just raise less animals as demand decreases.

good, releasing all the farm animals into the wild might do more damage than what those farms are doing.

I meant just letting abandoned farms turn into wild forests, now opening the gates.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 points 14 minutes ago

oh my god, I made do many typos I can't read it

RIP my lemm.ee account,