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The first American academics fleeing Donald Trump's America for France have arrived.

Aix-Marseille University last week introduced eight U.S.-based researchers who were in the final stage of joining the institution's “Safe Place for Science" program, which aims to woo researchers who have experienced or fear funding cuts under the Trump administration. AMU offers the promise of a brighter future in the sun-drenched Mediterranean port city.

While both France and the European Union have launched multimillion-euro plans to woo researchers across the pond since Trump assumed the U.S. presidency in January, AMU's initiative was the first of its kind in the country — meaning the eight researchers who were welcomed are the first academic refugees planning to trade the United States for France.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (35 children)

Lower wages and lower research budgets in Europe are very tangible problems.
The reason USA attract so many high level scientists and researchers, is that they throw more money at it.

Despite that, I'm sure most researchers will find that you can do more with less here in Europe, both on research and with your private economy. And quality of life seems to me to be miles ahead compared to USA.

[–] Whelks_chance@lemmy.world 107 points 1 day ago (23 children)

Cost of living is significantly lower, and the social safety net means you don't need as much anyway.

My gut feel is wages are so much higher in the US because everyone is responsible for looking after themselves if life turns on them, so you're obliged to stockpile wealth in case you're suddenly jobless or have a giant medical or education bill to contend with.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This. People can make more in the US because the country doesn't give a fuck about it's people. It's like gambling the health and wellness of you and your family to horde up some Cash.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

as if anyone in America is saving their money 🤣

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

There absolutely are. There are a lot of people at the top (not even billionaires) that are making tons of money as the working class suffer.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

we're talking about the average person; the idea that the average person in the US is using their higher income as savings to compensate for lack of social programs is delusional imo, I think most people have significant debt and will just fall between the cracks if they lose their job or get sick and can't work, etc.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Sure. My point wasn't that. My point is that there are still a not insignificant amount of people that are a part of the professional/managerial class who's material interests align with that of the ruling capitalist class of billionaires.

There is still a portion of "working" people that benefit enough from neoliberalism that they continue to believe that capitalism is a fair system that benefits hard work.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

sure, but it doesn't feel particularly relevant, those people aren't that different from less economically privileged working class folks who defend capitalism despite gaining no material benefit from doing so. The upper middle classes that align that way are still exploited in their jobs and victims of the system they align with, and that's no different than everyone else. Division among the working classes doesn't help our cause, and those middle upper classes would be some of the most valuable allies in cultivating change if their consciousness was raised, since they at least are not completely empty-handed. Think of people like Che Guevara who had such immense influence - he was precisely one of those middle upper class people whose consciousness was raised when he witnessed the American-backed coup in Guatemala.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 1 points 27 minutes ago

I mean the average person in the professional/managerial class is not Che. The entire point is to analyze it from material incentives. That is the tools of dialectical materialism that we have at our disposal.

The material interests of the professional class aligns with the capitalist class. I'm in that class technically. I'm a well paid software engineer that gets a large portion of my pay in stock. I'm doing well.

I know that my material interests are aligned with the success of capital. I have to make a conscious choice to be a class traitor and work against my own material interests. And that's easier for me. I'm not even a manager or a landlord.

You're kind of proving my point using an example like Che. He literally was educated into Marxism through personal experience throughout motorcycle diaries.

The average person in the professional/managerial class is not like me and definitely not like Che.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah. The top 1% of incomes is generally $500K - $1M depending on which site I look at.

In the eyes of billionaires, people at that level are just poors that get paid too much to keep them humble, but with respect to regular incomes they are the rich people building investment portfolios in things like stocks and being a landlord to 5-10 units.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 hours ago

focusing on income is distorting, socially and politically some of the wealthiest and most powerful people have the lowest incomes, it's just not the best lens of evaluating power or wealth.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 hours ago

it is people, indeed

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We call it savings, not hoarding. But yeah. You need it. If you lose your job here, you’re fucked.

[–] HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One illness and it’s all gone. House, kit and kaboodle.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

For a lot of people in this country it's hording. But I get what you mean.

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