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How to say Marx was right without saying "Marx was right".

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[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You are using the broadest possible definition of "lost."

Lost as in no more human civilization. It doesn't matter when you start doing stuff, that future is coming. We could maybe slow it at this point, but not much else and even that is up for debate with all the tipping points being reached. They will have a far greater effect on the climate than anything that we do now.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Human civilization is bound to die at some point. If we give up now it will just happen faster and with more suffering. If we fight we will still improve things, maybe not everything will be okay, but when has it ever been?

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I suppose it wasn't clear in my comment but I'm not advocating for doing nothing. Just to have realistic expectations about what is possible. If you sell everyone on reversing everything, and then fail, it will breed discontent further than being honest. That's all.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

There's also the biosphere to think about. Even in we go, it doesn't mean that all life has to go with us

[–] Snowies@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

We kill 80 billion land animals per year for factory farming and we’ve caused almost 2 species of animal per year, every year, to go completely extinct over the last 500 years.

We are going to destroy almost all life on this planet.

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even if we intentionally released as much co2 as we could all life on earth is not at risk. Remember that there's a fair amount of life that is virtually unchanged since the paleozoic period when all that co2 was in the air. Beyond that there's stuff that hangs out in volcanic vents, rapidly evolving life that can adapt even to rapid change, bacteria, molds, mosses and algae. And who knows maybe there's even a small adaptable mammal or 2 that gets out and evolves enough for a second attempt at sapience.

Don't get me wrong the climate disaster is truly a unique and devastating extinction event, but humans are not so powerful as to leave the earth a completely lifeless rock.

[–] mad_lentil@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

So this is the meagre hope I cling to now. I guess it'll have to do.

Exactly. Fuck the humans, at this point I just want as much as else possible to be saved.