HasturInYellow

I agree, they are struggling under capitalism. But a shrinking population doesn't necessitate suffering. At least not any more, where we could provide for our elderly with great efficiency if we were inclined to do so. It would not turn a profit, but some things are important in life.

I mean I understand that people are racist pieces of shit and will attempt to hijack absolutely anything that exists to pervert it into a mechanism of hate. But like.... We can could at least try to better the world.

I think that not having such a massive population devouring the ecosystem would be beneficial in the long term. That can be affected in a multitude of ways but mostly by getting the people alive right now to manage their consumption. Once the "line go down" from that, the generations long dastardly project of ...checks notes...educating people and providing them with medical care as needed, the population will in all probably go down as a matter of course.

I meant we let people live out their lives, and eventually die. Not cut off their medicine. Jesus dude...

Did I say we don't fucking do that? Did I say that I expect some faceless group to be shot in the hills? Or was that your first thought as to the only solution possible?

Really it just speaks to your own mind.

Ok but I never said anything about eugenics or a specific peoples. I said "we should have less people." And everyone got upset assuming I want to genocide the undesirables.

I literally just don't think we need 8 billion people. In no way did I suggest that we do it in a specific way or targeting specific people. Just a general 25-40% reduction in population over a few generations.

Literally all that needs to happen is more birth control for everyone. Not forced.

Idk why everyone gets so incensed by this.

That sounds like a great way to reduce the population. I don't understand why when I say that we should have less people, everyone assumes I mean like next year. Fucking generations away we will have less people. That's good. We don't have to abuse or hurt or even cajole people into it.

I would be very concerned about what that large group of angry, now rudderless and leaderless, idiots with guns and a lot to prove will do once it is clear they've been had or at least been betrayed. I would shocked if there is not widespread violence directed at anyone nearby.

Something tells me that their being out of touch with the lay peoples is about to have some unforeseen consequences for them. In the past the wealthy tried to keep a finger on the pulse as it were to know when to throw parades and shit to keep the peasantry happy. How long has it been since we've been given ANYTHING from the owners of capital? They really forgot how to maintain their power. Stupid as fuck NEW MONEY lmao

You know what's really wild? Every single person on the planet is a mutant, technically. All are completely novel combinations of genes that are VERY SIMILAR to their "human" parents, but with some changes here and there. Same for all life really. Except clones and mitosis, the cheaters.

I'm sure the tomatoes in America were just waiting on the vine for their chance to ripen cost effectively. Crazy GMOs these days.

I agree with this, but I still feel there are too many people. Like we don't need 8.5 billion. We could use so much less stuff if we just stopped fucking so much. We could REDUCE the size of our grid significantly. That seems like a good goal.

Btw genocide is a dumb way to achieve this. Plenty easy to just let people live to death since you can provide for 3x the number of people.

Edit: I thought I made it clear with the above line, but I'm not suggesting fucking eugenics. How do you get that from what I said..? I literally specified the fucking opposite. Unless people view any form of population controls in any sense to be eugenics. Which is just fucking braindead.

The entire governmental system needs to be ripped up and burned at the roots. We need to rewrite all of our important documents so as to spell out how things work in detail with no clear loopholes (there will always be something) and clear ways to deal with the situation when they are found. There needs to be absolutely ZERO reliance on cultural norms or handshake agreements. Every single thing needs explicitly written out.

There is no method by which we return to the government that we had in any stability.