Multiple people are getting paid so they can make a living, more money flows through the economy and even if you don’t personally find it to your taste, it’s still the result of cumulative human efforts.

Gen AI has its uses in personal entertainment but I will spit on the corpo who tries to make me pay for art a person didn’t actually compose/play.

Spotify is no paragon of morality but at least I can find real, human artists via the platform and see/support them in other ways.

When it comes to human expression, I only want my money to go to human expression (even if it’s deemed “soulless”).

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

even if you don’t personally find it to your taste,

This is the bit that pisses me off though. Corporate music has always been soulless slop, and when you point it out "oh that's just like your opinion man".

To get philosophical, because that's what the topic is; mathematics, life, human conciousness are based off similar patterns. Conway's game of life demonstrates purely mathematical cellular automata; when you go down to the chemical level, life is cellular automata with chemicals, which give way to cells, and complex structures and human beings.

Corporate pop does the same fucking shit the godless AI does. People don't sing, they don't give a shit, and it's just there as another piece of slop for idiots to fucking consume. It works in a similar way to the AI; it catches onto patterns, rigid bullshit defined by someone moron that says "hey, the millenial whoop is popular this decade, cram it into the songs we're releasing for fiscal quarter 3". "this year's hot rhythmn is the reggeton clave, shove that in". Then the zillionaire that teenage girls somehow get 1k dollars in order to see goes on stage , dances a bit and DOESN'T EVEN FUCKING SING.

The AI does the same shit "Oh, the guy put in sad, make it pianos and minor chords". But now it's not about fucking opinion, it's a fucking abomination that must be extinguished. "It all sounds like slop" My brother in christ, have you heard 80s pop music?

It's the same fucking pattern.

"oh noz, the AI is putting the real musicians out of bidness" Yeah, corporate pop doesn't do anything like that. That's why the greatest composers of our modern era have to manage touring schedules with working real fucking jobs and making losses on their tours, becuase fuck me, my opinion is worth fucking nothing. It's the same thing. Fucking DJ sets are walking around using synths instead of analog instruments, but that wasn't the crime putting honest musicians out of business, no, it's the fucking guy in india typing in a generic description into sumo ai to turn a quick buck.

How do fake bands dominate spotify when regular ones don't? It's easy; corporate business practices mean that the business side of music (or any endevour, let's fucking face it) is a zillion times more important than the actual musician aspect of music.

If this sounds like I'm on the side of AI; it's not. The point is that it's been too late for fucking decades, acting outraged about what's happening now because it uses new tech is blaming the statistic department for rises in heatwaves.

[–] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wholeheartedly agree with you for the most part, but one thing confuses me. You say

Fucking DJ sets are walking around using synths instead of analog instruments [...]

Synthesizers can be both analog or digital. Neither is even remotely comparable to AI music, as there is still a very real composer. Is this a typo/misunderstanding? Thanks for clarification!

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

just trying to contrast the use of synths to replace musicians that would have to perform with the DJ. Or drum machines, or whatever.

I wasn't trying to contrast analog/digital synths, just "fake" instruments to "real" ones.

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry, I’m not sure what you mean?

DJs never performed with bands? Disc Jockey. They’ve always played pre-recorded music.

Synthesizers also aren’t used to replace musicians. It’s a totally different sound. That’s like saying the piano replaced the upright bass because it can hit all the same notes. Just not how that works.

Also why throw shade at synths at all? They’re very far from fake instruments, if you’ve ever sat down to actually understand them and listen to synthesizer dominant music outside of the 80s pop you dislike so much

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The idea is drawing paralels to already established bullshit that's been "putting musicians out of business". A person doing a DJ set for a "live gig" like Skrillex should be seen as putting musicians out of business if this stupid elevator music tier AI BS is being put up on spotify. Compare and contrast Skrillex with modern Igorrr, he has like 4 people on stage with him doing a DJ set, Skrillex (or insert solo DJ "performer here) is just alone on stage.

They had the same fear with synthesisers, "who needs a trumpet or flute player when the Moog synthesizer can do it all?! Look at it play an orchestra's worth of sounds on "Switched on Bach"!"

I guess I need to put a signature or whatever on these AI posts : "my point isn't that AI is awesome, it's that human beings have been doing this shit long before neural net AIs came along to make this shit up". The point of the post is "Nobody Cares If Music Is Real Anymore" My point is "They haven't for fucking ages, why the tears now?". It's not "AI generated music great" , its "Humans have been making soulless slop forever"

Also : "Artists already made art worthless during the post modern era with Warhol and Pollock; what are you getting mad at software developers for?"

[–] Carnelian@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

No I get what you’re trying to say, the problem is your arguments make no sense

The number of musicians on the stage is irrelevant. I’ve seen plenty of shows with a single guitarist. They aren’t costing other musicians anything by doing their own thing

You also are trying to make the point that people “suddenly” care just because it’s AI even though you reference nearly 50 year drama in the same post

Yea there are parallels between the AI slop situation and other technological advances (invention of the camera, moving pictures, typewriters, and so on) which you are trying to illustrate but your illustrations are misguided. There’s a clear difference, and your strategy of throwing artists under the bus isn’t going to accomplish anything. Not that you seem to actually want to accomplish anything other than making some grand proclamation about society

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

You also are trying to make the point that people “suddenly” care just because it’s AI even though you reference nearly 50 year drama in the same post

I guess to try to make myself clearer, the technological drama I'm referencing went nowhere. That's the point. The AI isn't the big bad, people are.

Not that you seem to actually want to accomplish anything other than making some grand proclamation about society

Yeah. That's the point of the ramblings : pop music has been shit, and when you pointed it out before AI, it was "hurr hurr it's your opinion, who is it harming?" (and the answer is: people who actually give a shit about music) , but somehow, attaching the same slop generating human behaviour to a new piece of technology makes it seem like the end of the world. Where was this fucking enthusiasm before?

There’s a clear difference, and your strategy of throwing artists under the bus isn’t going to accomplish anything

I'm hoping that people stop regarding slop pop and people putting up a banana into a museum as "art" and start actually listening to decent music. It's also an intellectual black hole when people look at a "100% human" piece of slop and call it the greatest thing since sliced bread, and as soon as a piece of technology enters the picture, start vomiting uncontrollably.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You still pay people, not AI. It's people who do it, people who maintain it. People who maintain the AI itself etc. It just shifted from one tech-field to another tech-field. If you'd compare the soulless calculated success pop-shit with the ai-shit that is.

But I get your point.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your down votes are basically "programmers aren't people"

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 days ago

He he, yup. And all the others around that. REAL artists will never be replaced. The replaceable "artists" probably will. Those that do what the LLM does, just inferior.