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In our civilized societies we are rich. Why then are the many poor? Why this painful drudgery for the masses? Why, even to the best-paid workman, this uncertainty for the morrow, in the midst of all the wealth inherited from the past, and in spite of the powerful means of production, which could ensure comfort to all, in return for a few hours daily toil? - Peter Kropotkin (1892)

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[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (32 children)

I think it's important to frame this kind of argument very carefully. There is a misconception that communists and socialists just don't want to work and want a free ride.

Communists, socialists, and anarchists are fine with work. They are not fine with exploitation. Work is not necessarily exploitive. Work should be rewarded and incentivized.

But, in a civilized society, your ability to merely survive should not be dependent on your ability or willingness to work. That doesn't mean that the quality of life of someone who chooses not to work should be the same as someone who chooses to work. It only means that choosing not to work should not be a death sentence.

How any particular society may choose to implement such a system of non-exploitative, minimally coercive work may vary. But the main point is giving people more control over their work, their working conditions, and their lives generally.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need" still applies. You're just more likely to also get the things you want if you do valuable labor.

Edit: another point. I'd argue that leftists are MORE okay with work than capitalism enjoyers because they do not want people to be paid for simply owning things and not doing labor. The goal of capitalism - how to win capitalism - is to just own things and exploit others' labor, not to work. How to win Socialism is doing the job you enjoy/are best at/are most willing to do for the reward offered - that's it. Simple as.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago (26 children)

Shit if I could not work and live in a barely kept together apartment or trailer home eating only bread and drinking tap water, I'd be happy af. Work does nothing but depress me and my therapist hasn't been able to help with that.

[–] bstix 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You wouldn't be happy as fuck for long. Eventually you'd get bored enough that you'd start doing something. Doing something is work.

[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's kind of the point though, when left go their own devices people generally choose to work, its just that when their base needs are met they will tend to work that brings them joy first instead of pay.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah I'd most likely engage more with my hobbies, but nobody is paying me to go on walks or write some awful reviews of movies and videogames. They instead pay me to pump air into cow carcaases for 8.5 hours in a 30-35 degree room. Something that leaves me exhausted and basically no time to do things that make me not want to blow my brains out unless my epileptic ass wants to start depriving myself of sleep.

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