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Crunch time: Democrats ready for shutdown standoff over Republican health cuts
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What are you even talking about with federal workiers??? You were talking minimum wage which at one point did not exist and has gone up regularly although not enough. This is like talking with someone on business speak. Don't do the better thing because magically something that does not currently exist is better. Its like just think out of the box and actualize horizontal integration and drive synergistic growth. What exactly is the alternative solution you are suggesting.
Well, I thought that when you referred to minimum wage going up, you were referring to biden's executive order to raise the minimum wage for federal workers and expecting me to be happy with it. And since one person's wages went up, fuck everyone else forever. You don't care. Incrementalism means "do as little as possible to be able to claim you didn't do absolutely nothing and order your critics to be happy with it."
Your position is "be glad you even have a minimum wage." That wasn't a question. You're fucking right it hasn't gone up enough. And it was the incrementalists you're simping for that made certain it didn't go up enough. Which was my whole point. When we give democrats majorities, incrementalists stand in the way of necessary progress. Progress they promised, but have absolutely no intention of ever implementing. They always find some procedural bullshit to throw in their own way and unconvincingly pretend that they're disappointed. Or not. Sinema's gleeful thumbs down remains the party's clearest most enduring message to the working class.
But incrementalists can be proactive and industrious when it's something they want to do, and they're willing to violate actual law to do so. When there's Palestinian hospitals that haven't been properly introduced to American-made munitions, they leap into action, law be damned.
Still waiting for the alternative to making things better as you can which you call incrementalism. Speak to me of the great victories of your alternative. I have had many a back and forth with your type and its all complaints and hot air. Having republicans run everything is not the way to go.
Actually using the majorities we give them to do the things they ran on.
The great victories of incrementalism are all preventing any victory by progressives. Congratulations on your victories over working people and living Palestinians.
How? How is incrementalism preventing these great progressive victories? Again its all out of box integrate to new synergy buzz speak that I am hearing.
Progressives aren't the ones who just happen to have just enough no votes every time. That's the incrementalists blocking progress.
Incrementalism has failed to make things better. It is inadequate to the challenges its proponents claim it to be a solution for. We've tried incrementalism for decades and we're staring down fascism as a direct result of the utter uselessness of incrementalism and incrementalists. You're touting a 15 year old law that's based on heritage foundation policy that wasn't far enough to the right for incrementalists, so they nerfed it even further.
Incrementalism is great for fascists and the single best cover that cryptofascists ever invented.
Incrementalism has worked for decades and has been progressive. Just not progressive enough and ultimately it will never be progressive enough for what any particular person thinks is progressive. Some people who voted for trump honestly think in their brain that maga is progressive. What you call incrementalism is just work. The every day work of a democratic government system. Not working and or achieving anything and saying you totally would if other folks who are working would not do such a half assed job is just comical. Honestly I think we are just at an impasse. Im not going to stop trying to make things better and im not going to put my efforts to get you to help pull as its wasted effort. You will be you and I will be me and I will reduce, reuse, recycle, find as much joy as I can in simplicity, and engage in all levels of civic engagement available to me as long as I draw breath to push for a better society.
It worked at the only thing it's for: preventing progress until republicans can get back in and wreck shit. I don't care what centrists pretend is progressive. Incrementalism has been responsible for decades of sliding rightward. And it's by design.
It certainly has not. Its in the name it moves progressive but slowly. The slide comes from allowing the right to win and move the window. Again this is stupid at this point as its clear we disagree.
I've shared many examples in this thread of the people you keep falsely calling "progressive" killing progressive legislation for you. You've ignored every last incrementalist victory over the people you want to suffer.
Democrats spent all of last year supporting an ongoing genocide. They are completely uninterested in moving the window in any direction other than right, just like you.
Oh the us controls all countries like puppets on string argument. Since the democrats have been out israel has gotten more powerful weapons, aid to palestine has been eliminated, and israel is outright annexing palestine. All because of people like you. Im out.
When centrists' policy is implemented for them by republicans and they have to pretend they dislike it, they blame anyone to their left and only their left.