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I referred you to ChatGPT. After I entirely told you what was going to happen: you were going to focus on how effective they were, despite you being just as effective. Guess what you spent your whole comment doing? Complaining about how ineffective they were. So thanks, I guess?
After you had the gall to say you "didn't criticize" people who protested genocide, in a comment full of critising them as "ineffective" and "performative". Even if you didn't then, you are now. It's all same-same. You're saying the same things now as other's, if not you, were saying then. Which was my point you asked for a thing, they did that thing already, it isn't good enough for you because: hypocrisy. So thanks, I guess.
You once again misrepresented me though. Your choice is to shoot for something good, or take bad. That's irrelevant of probability. Will/may it doesn't matter: go for an unknown good, or take one of the known bads. Shoot for the good thing. It has to be deliberate misrepresentatiom at this point.
I don't think any reply you have will be valuable, I understand your position enough to completely predict its behaviour: them ineffective, performative, you strategic, also ineffective.
Ineffective doesn't matter to your position, but is everything to theirs. History has no lessons for you. Other FPTP 2 party systems have no lessons for you. Anyone that disagrees with you isn't valid: they're "confused", "ineffective", "performative", no lessons there either. No lessons for you anywhere, there are only your values, and there's no empathy to understand other's.
Even after all that, I still get it, the devil you know is at least known. 'Damage control' is a valid position to have. I get it, I really do.
Chatgpt's reply is a bad one, but my last reply was good enough to predict what you were going to do, and it was wasted on you. Anyway, hope the robot gets through:
Yes, it has, fundamentally. Your whole argument rests on the decision to do the thing being inconsequential to the outcome. And yet, that is the reality we live in. You act as though voting blue creates material improvement, when we both agree that genocide continues. If doing “the bad thing” (voting Dem) and not doing it (voting third party) both lead to genocide, then your argument collapses under its own weight — because the outcome doesn’t change, only the story you tell yourself about it.
You keep treating symbolic dissent as “performative,” but voting for genocide because you think it’s strategic is the ultimate performance. It’s the act of saying “I hate this” while continuing to fund, empower, and normalize it. You’re mistaking participation for influence.
I oppose actions which make genocide worse, obviously, because I oppose genocide. And yet you vote for a party that continues it. I get the logic of damage control — I’ve acknowledged it several times. What I don’t get is how you can accept “some genocide” as a strategy. That’s not damage control; that’s complicity with a more polite version of the same harm.
They used effective methods, I applaud them. Those methods weren’t “effective” until they became effective — after years of being ridiculed, arrested, and told their actions were “counterproductive.” You’re praising history while ignoring the lesson it teaches.
Politics is the one field where the little guys are the ones who elect leadership. No — the little guys ratify leadership. They don’t choose it. You’re describing consent manufacturing as choice. You don’t get to blame voters for a system designed to contain them.
Stop trying to make voting do things it doesn’t do. Exactly. Voting doesn’t end genocide. It’s a participation checkbox, not a moral shield. You can vote defensively if you like — that’s your right — but don’t pretend it’s resistance. Resistance is what happens outside the ballot box.
You say you want progress; I do too. But progress doesn’t come from treating moral triage as if it were justice. “Less bad” is not a destination. It’s an anaesthetic.
If you ever decide you want to build something genuinely good, not just postpone the next collapse, you’ll find me there — still doing the good thing, even if “the bad thing may happen anyway.”
I don't even know how to parse that rambling, bad faith nonsense. Where you actually engaged with my points, you completely misunderstood them.
This is a waste of my time. Go back and reread until you actually understand, or keep spinning yourself in circles if you want, but I'm not engaging further with someone who's either arguing in bad faith or literally incapable of understanding basic reasoning.
When you can understand basic reasoning, join the grownups. Bye.
Really? A "no u"? Grown up indeed.
Remember kids, when someone disagrees with you in a way you can't handle. It's not the time for introspection; they're "confused", "grandstanding", "performative", "ineffective" and "juvenile". - The rationalist guide to argument.
That is... an improbably ironic response. Like I said, a waste of time.
Remember kids, when you're losing an argument, that's not time for introspection. It was a "waste of time" - a rationalist's guide to argument.
What does it mean when someone says 'bye' and doesn't leave? I mean you just said bye, and here you are again? What gives?
Yes, this has been you the entire time: ignoring the argument, doubling down on refuted claims, trying to reverse it when that doesn't work, and refusing to examine your own flawed logic.
It's not a waste of time because I'm losing, because I'm not. It's a waste of time because your points are so bad and incoherent that you're either acting in bad faith, or you're not capable of engaging with logic.
You're not an ally, you're an agent provocateur, the left doesn't need you.
You cannot even be trusted to leave when you say you're going to. When your words have such little value to you, why do you believe anyone else should value them higher. Go away.
Remember kids, when losing an argument take everything you been shown to be doing and claim the other person does it. It works for DJT, surely it will work for you. -The rationalist's guide to argument
No, actually what gives? Imagine trying to claim any amount of bad faith on my part when you can't even be trusted to leave when you said you were going to. You said you were going, so GO.
Actually, just go away. You announced your departure 5 hours ago. You've tried to dismiss me in every 'thought terminating' way you could. Why are you still here?! Why "waste your time"? Why, if I lack the ability to learn do you still harass me? Please leave me alone.
So real leftists didn't fall for your counterproductive drivel, obviously. I think I'm satisfied now, no one's reading this far down your fallacious, nonsensical rants. I'm gone for good now.
real leftists don't advocate for democrats.
Why are you still in my mentions. You can't be trusted to say bye honestly, why should anyone trust you. Go away.
Meanwhile, I showed why your position was wrong continually, remember this:
For hours you couldn't figure out why, in your own analogy, Dems were represented by chain smoking. You just kept asserting that they weren't. Then I gave it to you step by step and you dropped it.
That's the difference between you just asserting a postion, and me demonstrating one. That's just one instance, remember this:
Double standards highlighted immediately. You never did see it, did you? Because your position never changed. It was still judging others' for the results of the their actions, but demanding you be judged by your intention.
Real leftists™ (hello fellow leftists, jesus)will see your position for the obstructionary nonsense it is: demanding zero progress. Instead supporting a party, that by your own admission, is bad (genocidily so). Making the same demands the "white moderates" did for civil rights. Never accepting change until it's forced upon them, and pretending they supported it all along.
History has lessons for you, read it, learn it, then get out of the activists' way.
You're right no-one is reading this far down. Fortunately, me constantly pointing out the flaws in your arguments is all up where it will be read, you didn't bury any of it, that's not how threads work. You misrepresented me immediately, and was called out for it immediately. You were wrong multiple time and were shown to be immediately. All where it can be seen.
None of this down here matters, you achieved nothing here, just like supporting Dems achieved nothing.
You're going away for good? I sure hope so, but you've proven yourself wrong about when you're going before.