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Greta Thunberg: “They kicked me every time the flag touched my face” (www.aftonbladet.se)

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This is not about me or the others from the flotilla. There are thousands of Palestinians, hundreds of whom are children, who are being held without trial right now, and many of them are most likely being tortured, says Greta Thunberg.

What we have been through is only a small, small part of what Palestinians have experienced. On the walls of our prison cells, we saw bullet holes with bloodstains and messages carved into the walls by Palestinian prisoners who had been there before us.

When I’m about to get off the boat, there are a bunch of police officers waiting for me. They grab me, pull me to the ground, and throw an Israeli flag over me.

Greta Thunberg describes how she is dragged to a paved area fenced in with iron fences. This is a protracted scene that lasts for over six hours, according to Greta, and is confirmed by several participants in the flotilla that Aftonbladet talks to.

It was kind of dystopian. I saw maybe 50 people sitting in a row on their knees with handcuffs and their foreheads against the ground. They dragged me to the opposite side from where the others were sitting, and I had the flag around me the whole time. They hit and kicked me.

They moved me very brutally to a corner that I was turned towards. ‘A special place for a special lady’, they said. And then they had learned ‘Lilla hora’ (Little Wh0re) and ‘Hora Greta’ (Wh0re Greta) in Swedish, which they repeated all the time.

The flag was placed so that it would touch me. When it fluttered and touched me, they shouted ‘Don’t touch the flag’ and kicked me in the side. After a while, my hands were tied with cable ties, very tightly. A bunch of guards lined up to take selfies with me while I was sitting like that.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Israel adopted the victim mentality a long time ago. Yes, they were victims of the Holocaust and yes, the world had treated them like shit for thousands of years.

The thing is that they adopted their victimhood unequivocally and then became like the spoiled child who knows how to manipulate their 'parents' to get what they want. And it's worked.

There was a time when Israel at least tried to act like a nation of people who wanted to grow, but since Netanyahu and his right-wing alliances took power Israel has become no better than Hamas -- using genocidal violence to lead.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's plenty of Jews out there who saw what Israel would have to do in order to reach their goal of being a Jewish state from the beginning and wanted nothing to do with it. Plenty of Holocaust survivors at the time were very explicitly against the taking of land from a pre-existing population, and understood that to make it a Jewish state you'd need to remove the people there... somehow.

Some Rabbis have even made the argument that even attempting to form Israel in the first place is heretical.

Anti-zionist Jews have been a thing for as long as Zionism has existed.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Plenty of Holocaust survivors at the time were very explicitly against the taking of land from a pre-existing population, and understood that to make it a Jewish state you’d need to remove the people there… somehow.

Do you have an example in mind? Enough people survived that I had assumed this, but then again plenty ended up in Israel as well.

The religious arguments against were definitely a thing, and it took quite a bit of propaganda to get the Sephardis to care either way, since most of the drama was in Europe.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

“Because no injustice has been justified by any injustice. Never, under any circumstances, though it was still so horrific and take it from me: Auschwitz was horrific. But Jews like Leon de Winter thus justify the violence against Palestinians or Lebanese and they find Jews who think otherwise traitors. Even my foster brother once literally wrote it to me: Hajo, you're a traitor. Of course that affects me, but the primitive train of thought that is behind it: that you have to repay evil with evil, I find worse. I’d rather be a traitor than a perpetrator of crimes.”

Hajo Meyer

Ben Gurion washed his hands of the Diaspora… As early as a Mapai party conference in December 1942, he said that the tragedy of the European Jews did not ‘directly concern’ them. Those were the words of a leader who was willing to sacrifice the lives of millions of Jews to the idea of a Jewish state.

Marek Edelman

My sense of betrayal grew. A question surfaced: was this what they died for? My relatives, all those Jews, all those thousands of names on the memorials? Was this horror of a racist, repressive state the result of their deaths?

Marika Sherwood

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 days ago

Thank you!

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

the world had treated them like shit for thousands of years.

More like just Europe. Pre-Roman Jewish history reads pretty similarly to the history of their neighbors. In the Muslim world some stuff happened, but the religions actually agree on a lot, and I'd guess the other various minorities got it worse. In Christendom they were kind of the only group to punch down at, so it got really bad. The Roman period is complicated, and I'm not sure how much is even recorded about the more far flung diasporas.