this post was submitted on 15 Oct 2025
956 points (98.6% liked)

World News

50373 readers
1955 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

This is not about me or the others from the flotilla. There are thousands of Palestinians, hundreds of whom are children, who are being held without trial right now, and many of them are most likely being tortured, says Greta Thunberg.

What we have been through is only a small, small part of what Palestinians have experienced. On the walls of our prison cells, we saw bullet holes with bloodstains and messages carved into the walls by Palestinian prisoners who had been there before us.

When I’m about to get off the boat, there are a bunch of police officers waiting for me. They grab me, pull me to the ground, and throw an Israeli flag over me.

Greta Thunberg describes how she is dragged to a paved area fenced in with iron fences. This is a protracted scene that lasts for over six hours, according to Greta, and is confirmed by several participants in the flotilla that Aftonbladet talks to.

It was kind of dystopian. I saw maybe 50 people sitting in a row on their knees with handcuffs and their foreheads against the ground. They dragged me to the opposite side from where the others were sitting, and I had the flag around me the whole time. They hit and kicked me.

They moved me very brutally to a corner that I was turned towards. ‘A special place for a special lady’, they said. And then they had learned ‘Lilla hora’ (Little Wh0re) and ‘Hora Greta’ (Wh0re Greta) in Swedish, which they repeated all the time.

The flag was placed so that it would touch me. When it fluttered and touched me, they shouted ‘Don’t touch the flag’ and kicked me in the side. After a while, my hands were tied with cable ties, very tightly. A bunch of guards lined up to take selfies with me while I was sitting like that.

top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] absentbird@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

For the crime of delivering food. Insanity.

[–] yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 386 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"What we have been through is only a small, small part of what Palestinians have experienced. "

Say what you will of Greta, but her ability to remain humble is truly admirable.

[–] Jaximus@lemmy.ml 171 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 86 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Honestly want her to be the Secretary General of the UN. Someone needs to push our international government bodies to be more assertive when dealing with human rights.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

She'll get there. There's still tempering to be done that comes with more experience and age which benefits and strengthens a political position.

I look forward to it.

load more comments (12 replies)
[–] okmko@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

She's basically modern Joan of Arc who died when she was only 19. Joan of Arc was graped. She was shunned. She was executed. But she believed in affecting change to better all lives.

Somehow throughout human history those who're called "whores" never seem to be monsters. Wonder why.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 14 points 3 days ago

Yeah she is. She's hella brave.

[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 337 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If they do this to a person they know the world is watching and will hear from, think of how much worse it is for the untold nameless gazans taken hostage by Israel.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 140 points 3 days ago

This is exactly the message messing with Greta was meant to convey. Look what we did and nobody will punish us for it. We will do much worse to you and nobody will care. They are behaving like 1930's Nazis. Untouchable and unaccountable.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Regardless of what you think about Palestinians, it's trivial to see that the Israelis are bad guys in this conflict.

Usually, the world is shades of gray, like with Palestinians, so it's sort of a relief when you can just point to somebody and say, "Well, those guys are clearly the bad guys, and anybody who supports their actions is also bad."

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, all the Israel bots need to do is say “Hamas” and suddenly everyone thinks Israel is a victim.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Bad people can also be victims. They are not mutually exclusive ideas. In fact, it's quite likely that bad people are disproportionately victims. They do something horrible to somebody else, and those people do something back. Sometimes, it's simple justice or comeuppance, and other times, it's escalating violence between two groups of detestable people.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 3 days ago (6 children)
load more comments (6 replies)
[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

We already have human rights reports about it . You don't have to imagine

load more comments (2 replies)

Standford prison experiment if it was a nation

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 117 points 3 days ago (3 children)

A bunch of guards lined up to take selfies with me while I was sitting like that

Really says a lot about the IDF and Israel that they're always so excited to document the horrible things they do. They're taking pictures so they can show other people. They think other Israelis - their friends and family - will be excited to see pictures of someone being treated horribly. Reminds me of Rachel Corrie and how they found her murder so funny they'd make pancakes with her face on it. What kind of person celebrates murder like that, and what kind of society allows such public celebration of it?

She's a non-violent protestor. Why do they take so much joy in being violent to her?

[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 60 points 3 days ago

The IDF loves recording themselves committing war crimes, and posting them on telegram.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 37 points 3 days ago

A sick society that promotes cruelty starting even with their children.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] sadTruth@lemmy.hogru.ch 69 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I'm sure our european, government-funded and therfore independend public broadcasting services will be outraged after they hear that our cute little Greta was tortured in a prison that looks Guantanamo-like, with blood and bullet holes in the cells!

The most just army of the world torturing a young, peaceful lady. An army we support!

This will result in weeks of coverage: Politicians being interviewed, human rights experts, Greta herself, debates on what sanctions should be put on Israel....

Just kidding. They'll hide it between news about a massacre in Africa and the weather report. And in two days, it will all be forgotten.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago

The most just army of the world torturing a young, peaceful lady.

They called her Hamas, so now anything goes.

Remember this the next time you hear about Hamas terrorism.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 64 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Israelis are sick fucks. Their country is the Nazi Germany of our time. How ironic. Their ancestors are likely spinning in their graves.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] unconsequential@slrpnk.net 89 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I know she wants to stay humble and keep the focus on Palestinian suffering, but it’s important everyone on the flotilla share their experience at the hands of the Israelis.

Every person needs to return to their home country to speak on the depravity of the Israelis and their treatment of foreign nationals to highlight their cruelty and the horrors they inflict upon the population that’s 100% under their control and every whim, who the world has ignored for decades. Of the children held in those same cells deprived of food, water, bedding and often subjected to sexual abuse by both male and female guards.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 54 points 3 days ago

I believe so too. Greta probably also extra fears being seen as an attention grabber because so many Israeli bot accounts are accusing her of doing it for personal fame and calling it a selfie cruise.

This article is a perfect way of her starting off by making everyone aware that this is happening far worse to Palestinians while also spreading the awareness and I'm glad they finally published it.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago

they are such good and righteous jews, writing whore and drawing a penis right next to the star of david.

[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 95 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Why are certain countries so obsessed with flags?

pathetic.

[–] OwlPaste@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (9 children)

The world would be a much better place if we took the concept of countries and removed the borders. Then we can start getting over the whole US and THEM thing, which isn't helping us to move on from our petty ideologies and prioritise advancing us as whole planet.

[–] nogooduser@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m sure that the concept of “us” and “them” outdates the concept of countries.

If we got rid of countries then the people over that hill or across that river would become “them”.

load more comments (1 replies)
[–] andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 days ago

Right, but then rich people can no longer exploit other regions if everyone is considered equal! Think about the shareholders for a bit :/ (I'm sarcastic, in case it is not clear :D)

The main problem here is that people flocking to positions of power are often the ones that do it for the wrong reasons. Until that part is sorted out, we will keep having leaders that will enforce things that are best for them and their closest ones. Some form of anarcho-communism would probably help this, but the current globalisation effort will make it very hard to implement. The best thing we can do as individuals is to just improve our social circle, and try to rely on as many local things as possible.

load more comments (7 replies)
load more comments (5 replies)
[–] andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Even the comic-book bullies are better than this... The sad part is that the West will continue to lick the boot, hoping everyone will just forget. I really hope that that is not the case. What Greta did here is very impressive, and I hope that her spirit will inspire other young people to vote out these dumbfucks in government that try to do damage control in this situation.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I have to say I've been on fence about her in the past but she is willing to put herself in there to bring attention to the issue. Having said that if she goes back they will kill her. She isn't dealing with decent human beings. She is dealing with the type of people who poisons people in 'showers' and makes those they let live shovel the bodies in to furnaces. Of course they have a word for people who express that reality. It used to mean something but their repeated misuse of it have made it meaningless.

load more comments (3 replies)
[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Readind that article makes me... I don't know. I'm not 'mad', I'm fucking restless. First, the torture, sure. We knew the current* Israeli government is monstrous. (*I don't know about all the previous ones, I'm not versed in Israeli history.) But the response from the Swedish embassy?

And, after all that, what's the response of the world? Similar to the Swedish government response as shown here. Evasive, absolutely unwilling to stand up to the monsters. Being monsters themselves by proxy.

I feel like I must act, but know not what to do. I'm restless. I feel like our world is stuck in some kind of non-Newtonian liquid made of Capital, Hunger for Power and Gutlessness. I feel like I want to round up all those monsters, ship them on an island and make sure there's no way out - have fun amongst yourselves, monsters. I know this isn't realist. I know not what to do. Calling my minister here in Canada doesn't do shit - our government is as gutless as all others. Standing in the street hasn't done much either, nor participating in event in support of Gaza and the wish to put an end to the massacre and torture of a whole people.

'I have no mouth, and I must scream'

[–] Atomic@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They've been like that from the start pretty much. They assasinated Folke Bernadotte 1948. Why? Because he was a skilled diplomat who made real progress in the Israel - arab conflict.

Folke Bernadotte, who helped saved thousands of jews from concentration camps.

load more comments (2 replies)
[–] maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

Funny that Israel just demolished Palestine's nation and "found peace" while Trump was being blamed for Greta's boating incident because he hates her and "windmills". This world is full of corrupt old men. I just want them all to die with their regimes.

[–] rockettaco37@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And yet she's braver and more courageous than any Israeli will ever be.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The day after the flotilla was captured, brave Israeli refuseniks tried to break the blockade on foot and even make it a few meters in.

https://youtu.be/wuugWsEefvM

The guy's name is Itamar Greenberg: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2025/03/i-couldnt-wear-a-uniform-that-symbolizes-killing-and-oppression-israeli-activist-who-refuses-to-serve-in-the-israeli-army/said

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The problem's that it'll always be her word vs theirs, so there's plausible deniability.
Unless they're dumb enough to post on social media... then it would be interesting.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Israel had no justification to seize the flotilla and has yet to even pretend to have evidence they acted appropriately. It's incredibly frustrating the international community is doing nothing.

[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

Going by the Israelis lying record, I'd take the flotilla participants' word over their any day.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago

Israel claims the flotilla boats contained no aid so their word has no value.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Little removed

Does Lemmy.world remove curse words, now, or was that just you? The fuck 😂

load more comments (6 replies)
load more comments
view more: next ›