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If they do this to a person they know the world is watching and will hear from, think of how much worse it is for the untold nameless gazans taken hostage by Israel.
This is exactly the message messing with Greta was meant to convey. Look what we did and nobody will punish us for it. We will do much worse to you and nobody will care. They are behaving like 1930's Nazis. Untouchable and unaccountable.
Regardless of what you think about Palestinians, it's trivial to see that the Israelis are bad guys in this conflict.
Usually, the world is shades of gray, like with Palestinians, so it's sort of a relief when you can just point to somebody and say, "Well, those guys are clearly the bad guys, and anybody who supports their actions is also bad."
Unfortunately, all the Israel bots need to do is say “Hamas” and suddenly everyone thinks Israel is a victim.
Bad people can also be victims. They are not mutually exclusive ideas. In fact, it's quite likely that bad people are disproportionately victims. They do something horrible to somebody else, and those people do something back. Sometimes, it's simple justice or comeuppance, and other times, it's escalating violence between two groups of detestable people.
Hurt people hurt people.
Israel adopted the victim mentality a long time ago. Yes, they were victims of the Holocaust and yes, the world had treated them like shit for thousands of years.
The thing is that they adopted their victimhood unequivocally and then became like the spoiled child who knows how to manipulate their 'parents' to get what they want. And it's worked.
There was a time when Israel at least tried to act like a nation of people who wanted to grow, but since Netanyahu and his right-wing alliances took power Israel has become no better than Hamas -- using genocidal violence to lead.
There's plenty of Jews out there who saw what Israel would have to do in order to reach their goal of being a Jewish state from the beginning and wanted nothing to do with it. Plenty of Holocaust survivors at the time were very explicitly against the taking of land from a pre-existing population, and understood that to make it a Jewish state you'd need to remove the people there... somehow.
Some Rabbis have even made the argument that even attempting to form Israel in the first place is heretical.
Anti-zionist Jews have been a thing for as long as Zionism has existed.
Do you have an example in mind? Enough people survived that I had assumed this, but then again plenty ended up in Israel as well.
The religious arguments against were definitely a thing, and it took quite a bit of propaganda to get the Sephardis to care either way, since most of the drama was in Europe.
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More like just Europe. Pre-Roman Jewish history reads pretty similarly to the history of their neighbors. In the Muslim world some stuff happened, but the religions actually agree on a lot, and I'd guess the other various minorities got it worse. In Christendom they were kind of the only group to punch down at, so it got really bad. The Roman period is complicated, and I'm not sure how much is even recorded about the more far flung diasporas.
We already have human rights reports about it . You don't have to imagine
Even then, I assume it's like the last holocaust and it's even worse than the reports.
Yep, we almost always find out the worst shit many years after it happened. And I'm pretty sure the absolutely worst stuff just never comes out.