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This does unfortunately happen multiple times per day. Sometimes it’s smaller incidents where the tram driver can get out and collapse the car’s mirror. Other times the owner of the car comes out of a nearby house after the tram used its bell extensively (like today) and moves the car. And then there are times when police needs to get involved to tow the car which often takes upwards of 1 hour.

The truly infuriating part is that if the tram damages a poorly parked car, the transportation company will have to pay the damages. Poorly parked vehicles never get fined and the owners will only need to pay if the car ends up getting towed.

Why do we accept that drivers sabotage a city’s public transport infrastructure like this?

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[–] SektorC@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The city of St. Gallen in Switzerland simply charges CHF 20 per minute that the tram is blocked. (21€ / $25) https://www.srf.ch/news/zug-blockiert-falschparken-kostet-20-franken-pro-minute

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Still seems somewhat low but maybe a good start. Looks like the longest delay here in Bremen has been 2 ½ hours which would only be around 3000 CHF if they applied that here. Yes that’s a lot for a parking violation but it doesn’t make up for diversions, overtime and the delay caused to the hundreds of passengers.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 days ago

3000 CHF can financially ruin someone who's not doing very well. I'd say it's enough of a fine.

Perhaps doing it the Finnish way would be better of course, make it depend on your income or net worth or something.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That's a whole lot of money. A single infraction should not financially ruin a person. There is no good way out.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Why not? You'd better not commit the infraction then. You are actively damaging all of the tram passengers.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

People do have bad days where they’re not fully involved in what they’re doing.

A small pinch might work better to rectify that behaviour than a noose around their neck

[–] asret@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Perhaps they shouldn't be operating dangerous machinery if they're not fully involved in what they're doing.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 2 days ago

Perfect world vs Real world

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because there is no opportunity for betterment. You don't deserve to lose your life for that.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can reimburse 3000 CHF in two months of work.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You asked for the punishment to be substantially larger. Also if you are poor this may sink you. Not everybody has 1.5 grand each month to spend on extra stuff.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 points 1 hour ago

You have enough money to own a car and disregard rules.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, the infrastructure should be better in the first place, i.e. do not have parking spots there. But I guess the whole reason these parking spots are there is because people would just park there regardless if there are parking spots or not and if there weren't parking spots and people still parked illegally, they should absolutely cover the damages they caused. Keep in mind, that 2 ½ hours was the longest recent delay which caused whole chunks of the city center to be inaccessible.

One of the biggest issue with cars is that as a society we are subsidizing their external costs way too much. Owning a car entails a lot of responsibility and yet most people operate it with very little regard for their surroundings.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Eh so these are official parking spots? That's a bit weird yeah.

[–] SektorC@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The problem is that cars are revered in this country as if they were sacred objects. Data protection violations: dududu! Violations of fundamental rights: depending on your wallet... But cars are always sacred. They have the halo of insurance and investment fraud, even if they are parked on tram tracks or in the fire department access lane to a hospital.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

It's because your country makes so many cars. Same in the US. Cars are holy because so much money is made off them.

Where I'm from in Holland they are sacred also but it's kinda a different reason, car ownership was a big symbol of economic progress in the 60s and people have become addicted to them.