Firstly, let me explain that I don't mean this in a way that society keeps us unequal and it needs to be fixed. I mean this in a way that we are not all equal and that's the way it's supposed to be. We are individuals for a reason, because we are not the same as everybody else. This is what gives us uniqueness.
Some people are faster, some people are smarter, some are braver, richer, poorer, more competent, better in certain fields, and worse in others. This doesn't mean person A is better overall as a human being than person B just because they're more talented at some random skill.
However, it does mean they aren't the same and thus not equal in their ability. When there's a competition, everyone doesn't come in first place because someone is the winner of the competition. This can be applied to real life applications, and situations as well. To think we're all equal is a very dangerous thing.
The delusion of thinking equality exists, creates conformity, and we all become part of a group think. No one does anything different. No one has uniqueness. No one has individual identity. I'm not going to go into extreme detail how this ruins society just look around you.
Society isn't worse off when we understand that equality is a falsehood. It is worse off when we give the false pretense that equality is a real thing. The person that trains to be the fastest runner cannot be categorized in the same group as someone who is lazy and doesn't even like to go on walks, who is slow.
It is by that person's effort, determination, their dedication and devotion to their training, their exercise, practice, or growth that they are superior, not equal to that person who is lazy and slothful. (The runner example can be used for any example that it is applicable to. There doesn't have to be physicality involved.
We are all human but we are not all equal. Sometimes people are better. Sometimes people are worse. And that's perfectly fine.
People aren't the same in their abilities, you are correct. And some people will contribute to society more than others, yes.
In these ways, some people will seem to have more "worth" than others, I will concede.
But to me it comes down to the fact that every person deserves:
This is what I mean when I say all people are equal. Not that everyone is the same person somehow. π€¨ Granted, some people will forfeit their birthright to these things by betraying humanity or their community in certain ways, but that's beside the point.
I think we should have the same opinion here, right?
I disagree with 1, 2, and 3. You said they deserve, no one deserves anything they must obtain, demand or prevent it
I instinctively disagree with what you're saying, but I'm willing to listen if you are willing to state your arguments as to why.
Like, wouldn't you say a newborn person deserves a chance to be happy? That's just focusing on (1). And in isolation, a newborn doesn't deserve to be free of pain (2)? It didn't ask to be born, so it shouldn't be subjected to pain if we can prevent it.
If this makes sense, wouldn't it make sense that all people, not just newborns, deserve these things? (Obviously we are not considering people who do things that forfeit their right to happiness by taking away other's happiness, etc. But the initial default ought to be that they do deserve, right?)
So anyway, I'm open to hearing you out if you want to elaborate your stance on this. It didn't sound good at all off the bat, so I'm really curious about your way of thinking here.
They shouldn't be abused for no reason or 'good reasons' they just don't deserve anything. Life is life. Pain is part of life. Just because you think its undesirable or bad doesn't mean it is. Sometimes pain is necessary
I think you're getting too hung up on the word "deserve".
Pain is a part of life, yes. But nobody deserves pain, unless/until they've done something to deserve it. And by logical inversion they then deserve to be pain free, the way I see it.
But we're also now just focusing on pain. What about deserving a chance to be happy? Like, just a chance? The inversion of that would be to be born for the purpose of not being happy. That sounds like something only a sadist would condone.
Any thoughts on that?
Everyone already has a chance at happiness though.
No they don't, but that's beside the point. It's just a part of my definition of everyone being equal, that all should have a chance at happiness in life from the beginning. Do you agree or nah?
I try to help people intellectually so that they can not make dumb decision that would bring unhappiness but I don't mind when people suffer. If someone allows continuous suffering. Then they are a perfect fit for it. If I was suffering I'm going to detox, fix, or detach from whatever's causing it.
If necessary extreme force will be used
π³π What? Are you saying that any and all suffering or pain or unhappiness can be fixed with either sheer willpower or physical brute force?
Also you are dodging the questions.