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[–] Lux18@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Spreading defeatist comments and pessimism, saying that this won't accomplish anything anyway and undermining the power of the collective is exactly what killed this movement in Croatia.

The movement started with a general spending boycott on fridays (so no money transactions - no stores, bars, gas stations, bank transactions etc), and a week long boycott of three supermarket chains that had the most egregious prices compared to other countries (those chains operate all over Europe, and their prices in other countries are far cheaper for the exact same products - despite lower operational costs in Croatia). After that, we switched to boycotting one chain every week.

The boycott was very effective. On the first friday of the boycott, the state financial department reported a 43% decrease in sales volume in the country. Just think about that for a second. And no - there has not been an increase in spending in the days before or after the boycott. In fact, they were still lower compared to the weeks before and the sales volume decreased in the following week by about 10%.

But like I said, unfortunately it died out over the next 4-5 weeks, with each boycott achieving lower decreases. And it died out exactly because of trolls that spread this defeatist attitude thinking they're so smart for seeing the "real" picture. Laughable.
Of course, the astroturfing has been insane, they really went berserk after the first friday. There's been an insane amount of bots posting comments that this doesn't work, that we should be protesting the government instead (as if holding signs in front of government buildings hurts them more than 50% less money flowing into the state piggy bank), that this hurts the citizens more than the conglomerates, that this will cause them to increase the prices to cover the losses etc etc. Just ridiculous claims all over social media.
And yeah, people got deflated and the movement died out.

Thanks idiots.

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago (5 children)

One day at a time. Isn't that what the 12 Step groups say? People in this thread saying this won't do anything. You have to start somewhere. Don't be defeatist. Get involved. Unless you are just trolling to keep people from doing anything.

[–] anon593839@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Doomer do-nothings are so incredibly frustrating. I get the frustration, but spreading apathy is not useful. Authoritarianism flourishes when apathy takes root among the populace.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Real doing something is a long term boycott. Not a one day thing. Real doing something is labor organization, unions allow collaboration at a higher level, and allow you to strike back at the throat.

Even protesting at a leftist capital is doing more than a single day's blackout.

Go exercise your second amendment by a conservative senator's house if you really want to do something (and I don't mean that as a shoot them euphemism. Make them uncomfortable.)

[–] witten@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The organization that organized the economic blackout has longer-term boycotts planned in the coming weeks. This is just the opening salvo. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Don't let nothing be the enemy of good either. That's all i need saying.

You need everyone in line for longer ones. Single day ones only serve to make the companies more prepared for longer ones.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world -3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

you are doing nothing.
this is not resistance, it's embarrassing. you all deserve what you get.

[–] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Americans have not had to protest like this in many many decades. That is it's been "good enough" for a large part of the population to not really do anything, so there is no system that people can tap into like in France. So thinking that you are going to get a million+ people to go into the streets and shut everything down for a few weeks isn't realistic.

American protest opposition also has a great response to these gatherings by getting them to turn into riots so there is justification for military style responses. Which makes people on the fence hesitant. Getting people to dip their toe in the lake of resistance is the best way forward. It's slow, it looks silly and limiting but if it works it emboldens more people to do more.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For real. Most Americans have probably never even participated in a “buy nothing” day, much less a pocket book protest against a government.

I don’t see what’s wrong with starting with one day, letting people get used to the concept, then dialing up the frequency once word of mouth has spread.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

They show up on every single issue and I want to just interview these people and post it online. Like who are these fucking losers

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 172 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The key thing to remember is that a one day blackout won't have an effect on the corporations. What it will do is get more people comfortable with taking action. If you can go one day without buying from Amazon, two days isn't much more, and then a week, and then a month. The idea is to ratchet up the action.

Just like how fascism has a progression to slowly "boil the frog," collective societal action does, too. This isn't an end but a beginning.

[–] nullPointer@programming.dev 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The problem with this approach is that the frog knows you are trying to boil it.

[–] astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz 37 points 1 day ago

I don't think it's much of a problem. People taking part want to do something to combat Trump and Elon, but many don't know how. And let's face it, it's kinda scary to try to go up against powerful people. This is an easy, low-threat way to get started. It's for Jim and Jane down the street who want to do something but don't know what and are afraid of going all in right now.

So, if they boycott for just a day as a symbol, they see it's not so bad. Hell, they may even make it two or three just on their own. Then the next call to blackout comes a month later, but this time it's for a week. Easy. Now, this time, they find alternative local businesses who align with their positions to get "emergency" supplies from. Then the next call comes for a month's blackout, and they realize that they haven't been buying from the big companies at all, so that's easy.

But, they still feel like they aren't doing enough. Isn't fighting supposed to be harder? So, they decide to attend a small protest. Then a bigger protest. Suddenly, Jim and Jane realize that they are going to city hall meetings, protests, etc., which they never thought they'd get involved in. And it started with just taking a day off from buying things.

Obviously, this won't happen for everyone where they get hyper-involved. For most, it'll probably just be doing the economic blackouts for however long at a time or just finding alternate places to do business so they feel like they're helping. And you know what, that's fine. If people turn away from the big businesses, even just 20%, that will start to show up.

[–] PlasticExistence@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Then you make jumping out of the pot the worse option

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Getting people to take part in actions that have no effect on their target can eventually make them feel that all such actions are pointless, though.

It can always be spun as a symbolic statement, but giving it the appearance of an economic boycott leads to confusion about how effective boycotts actually work.

[–] ToiletFlushShowerScream@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Since Amazon doesn’t actually MAKE anything, just resells stuff, can’t we get a delete and cancel Amazon day too?

[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 hours ago

There are some Amazon Basics branded stuff. Is that not making? What about the books that they print on demand? Not defending, just curious what the definition of “makes” is.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I canceled prime already. I'm also sourcing locally and from Canadian owned corps where I can.

[–] hockeyboss77@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I too buy Canadian owned corps. They're hard you come by though.

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[–] ClownsInSpace2@lemm.ee 66 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I just been not buying things most days. Anti-consumerism 2025

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If everyone just holds off buying their shit until March 1st, or buys everything they will need Feb 27, then this blip won't have any effect.

You've got the right idea, if we want to actually hit them where it hurts. I'm doing the same, but not really by choice. I'm just broke.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They don’t care. It’s a game about holding out the longest. Protest all you want.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The idea isn't who can hold out the longest, obviously the billionaires can. It's the idea that we can all join together to do one so insanely simple event that the next one will just have all the more support.

The next events I've heard are the ones that actually start pushing boundaries, like walkouts, nation wide protests, and general strikes.

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[–] xyzzy@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I've cut back my spending dramatically. Reminds me of how it was in 2020 when I bought next to nothing except food and essentials for like 12-18 months. Once you break the habit, you stop thinking about it and it just becomes easy.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I never understood these "don't buy stuff on day X" things. Ok, then you will buy on the next day. It doesn't make a difference. What am I missing?

[–] HotDayBreeze@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago

It's a threat. Nobody likes the idea of crippling the economy with an unending general strike. But the people who watch the daily numbers use them to predict future behavior. A big blackout in the second month makes them think really hard about what is coming 6 months down the road. If the blackout is small, they know they don't have anything to worry about. If it shifts 50% of sales to another day, they know they're having a conversation with a giant that can move their numbers a lot.

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The idea is for it to be material enough that it shows up in reports about earnibgs for the day.

[–] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 22 hours ago

And also to get people accustomed to the idea of participating in mass actions. You don't go from barely having protests to a multi week general strike in one go. You do things like this, first.

[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

it's going to take a much larger blackout. No one will notice one day. it's a start I guess but it's not going to accomplish anything. I've ditched amazon, walmart, target, etc,.. Buy local or even better, don't buy at all. You don't need the latest shiny distraction. vote with your wallet.

May I present you all with the secondhand market. Please go back to using craigslist everyone. Craig never did you dirty and you left him hanging.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Got to start somewhere. Start small, send the message, get the word out, then dial up frequency and reach.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

Also will have no idea what the possible participation rate could be if you don't have a trial run first.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Any time us plebs do something en masse it freaks them out, even if it's just for a day

I've been cleaning out the cupboards this month. Just going through all the random food stuff we have in the freezer and cupboard instead of buying anything

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I see so many of these protests and blackouts. I wish there was a nationwide, unified voice for this stuff so its not so piece-mealed together. If only there was an opposition party.

[–] Caffeinated_Sloth@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

The big labor unions could form a labor party and run candidates in rust belt congressional districts and probably win.

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago

Look up the 50501 movement that this nationwide economic blackout is a part of. They also have a next nationwide protest planned for Mar 4th

https://www.fiftyfifty.one/

[–] BaldProphet@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago

Hey, we're finally getting their attention!

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