I have a feeling that Teslas are about to become the most fashionable vehicle in Moscow.
this post was submitted on 03 Mar 2025
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I am so proud of my fellow countrymen 👏 🇳🇴
Except for about 30% of them
Considering that Norway is the country in the world with the highest number of EVs per capita by a huge margin, I am pretty satisfied with the development here.
Of course I am ashamed of the people that buy new Teslas now. Used ones is fine however, can't expect people to take a huge economic loss and dispose of a perfectly usable car.
I'm sure if there was no financial penalty, Tesla owners would voluntarily return their vehicles en mass!
Have other car companies taken advantage of this? Offer a buy back or something?
Tesla employees in Europe should start looking for new work.
The businesses are going to fail, and Tesla is going to allow it to fail, because Elons opinion on the EU is 'go fuck yourself'
Elon doesn't care about this anymore, He got his hands in the US cookie jar, and Liberal Europeans are being painted as the enemy of America by the Russophilic Fascists who are in control now.
Do not buy this crap
What's going on with the rest? They think Elon is the man!?
This is the way
I wonder when it will be enough for Tesla investors. Clearly so far they are OK with both his behavior and the impact on stock price.
It's still not enough
To be fair, there's a new model y launching next month.
If it's still down after that we have to see.
And the model represented over 65% of their sales.
Until that's properly ramped its impossible to see the real impact. There is an impact, just measuring it like this today doesn't tell the whole story.
edit below
Just to give some further context on why we might see the Model 3 sales dropping as well. The pre refresh Model 3 and the Model Y both had the same problems. The big 3 being harsher suspension/ride than some people wanted, cabin noise, and mileage dropping off faster than other EVs at 70mph.
The Model 3 refresh fixed those problems (and more). So you end up getting people buying a Model 3 refresh instead of the Y as it was the superior choice assuming you weren't dead set on a Y.
A year later the Model Y refresh comes out with all the same fixes (well I'm assuming the mileage one is fixed as well as they said they improved its aerodynamics, but we'll need to see independent testing). So now you also have some percentage of the people who were buying a Model 3 because of those fixes, now waiting for the Model Y which would have been their preferred vehicle and they might want the extra features it has like the front bumper camera or return of the turning stalk.
I think people vastly overestimate how much consumers know about the car they buy and how much time they need to wait before the next one comes and also the previous model years on the lot usually go into steep discounts to counter this FOMO effect
I agree, I think it's more than most people would expect, but it might also be lower than I might expect as someone who is like that. Realistically, it's probably somewhere in the middle. It's an expensive purchase, in a quickly changing market, so I'd hope people are making informed decisions that consider the future.
Edit: I agree'd before your edit to say overestimate instead of underestimate as per below.
Well, I just realized I wrote underestimate, when I meant overestimate, I don't think the new model coming out accounts for even half of that 65% drop,but I could be wrong and maybe people who buy EVs make more informed choices
Ah, well that really changes things haha. I sometimes find I do that as well when I'm writing things down. Think one thing, somehow write the opposite.
On the note of FOMO with discounts then, in Tesla's case, they have industry low days of inventory. At the end of Q4 it was 13 days, and that includes sold vehicles in transit.
So while there are some cars to buy and they will have steep discounts, it's not like Ford or GM that have well over a month of inventory, there's only so many of them available and they'd need to match what people want.
Who is still buying this joke of a car with fart sounds for turn signals?
My wife leased the first electric car in her company 10 years ago. We have driven the BMW i3, Hyundai kona electric, Skoda enyaq, and model 3. The last 2 are our current daily drivers.
The i3 brought the electric amazingness, the Kona brought range and more practicality. Model 3, while being standard range, brought an infotainment system that has no equal and is just very good to drive with even more range.We've had it for 2 years with zero issues. I did install a hud android screen to have a waze, but i rarely use it anymore. And the rims scratch by even looking at a curb. I thought the enyaq 85 L&K full option would blow the model 3 out of the water, but it just doesn't. It is more practical (i'm skiing right now in the alps with 2 adults and 2 children and no need for a roof or towhook box). However, it doesn't come close my friend's model y in pure storage space. It also drives like a shoebox, and tesla's 1 pedal drive is just better.
While the support from tesla is at times really bad, this is also due to leasing companies not being onboard with tesla's full digital approach. At the same time, the support from VW group on skoda is not much better. Hyundai's support we never needed as they just don't break. BMW service is very good if your leasing pays for it. Otherwise, you are just a money milking cow.
Now, in 2 years, i need to lease again, and as long as musk is at the reigns, it will not be a tesla. Changing his ways is not enough. He needs to go and fully be out of the company management tree before i would consider tesla again
Skoda Enyaq is a notoriously mid and disappointing vehicle, it's VAG after all, they penny pinch you on the weirdest shit.
Probably the id7 is the only vehicle worth considering from the VAG lineup, maybe the cupra born VZ, but I believe they didn't fix the steering wheel in that.
They fixed a lot in the 85. There are no issues with the screen. 4.x soft. Battery conditioning. A navigation that is trying to be a mix between tesla, google, and abrp. The interior on the L&K is high quality.
Things i don't like after just driving 1000km in it. The safety beeping stuff needs to be shut down every trip and is annoying as fuck. We were singing songs and it thought i was yawning and went full berserk nearly making me crash. This thing beeps constantly and pops up the driving laws when entering a country. Same for steering corrections. So intrusive.
The satnav does not always recognize fastchargers and does not auto condition. To be fair, tesla also has this issue. At least this offers a manual option. The seats get uncomfy after a while and the massaging function is so limited compared to my peugeot 508. The kessy keyless entry just goes bonkers every time you are near the car The profiles are really annoingly implemented and are not linkable to the connected phone so we ended up having to switch manually.
Neither regular or regen driving drives satisfactory. Regen on max drives closest to 1 pedal Throughloading for ski's etc is very narrow Heated front window works well but blocks the french telepeage emitter. My peugeot did not do this When you open the door, it cuts of the navigation and android auto
You need to be in the front seat with a car that is 'on' to condition battery while charging The back usb chargers are flimsy
I had a 1st edition ID.4 and miss it so much, been waiting for the ID.7 but I don’t think they’re bringing that to the US anymore. TBH it’s a lot of car, too much for me anyway. Never had many issues with the ID.4 that VW didn’t cover, but I sold it because it was having some issues with the displays shutting off on hot days. Big safety concern, and I still don’t know if they ever came up with a fix.
Gone are the days of smaller cars. If they sold the ID.3 here I’d buy it instantly.
There aren’t many good EV sedans here unfortunately, which I could imagine makes it harder for some Tesla owners to find another vehicle to switch to. Elon, fossil fuels or an overpriced luxury EV SUV seem to be the only real choices.
For now I’m making do with my sister’s old Leaf but am going to need to find another car soon, and it sure as hell won’t be a Tesla but I’m at a loss as to what. Take away the shitty Nazi CEO and the cars are (at least spec-wise) a good value. Not enough for me to overlook the rest of their faults, but enough to be frustrating when looking literally anywhere else.
They have pretty awesome powertrains and the infotainment is decent. I can sorta see the allure. That said, I'd rather have the EQE sedan, the i5 wagon or maybe the EX90 if I was looking for an EV right now. We make a lot of decent cars here in Europe (okay I haven't really looked where any of those are assembled, but they're Euro companies at least).
As for the fart sounds - honestly that's one of the better things about the car if you ask me. The engineers had a childish sense of humour, big deal. So do I. I'd be more worried about the somewhat crappy interior quality for the price, or the lack of a speedometer near the driver's normal field of view.
Teslas were fine several years ago when Elon was “just” a massive prick. Every auto company executive was probably just as big of a prick but didn’t advertise their prickness on social media.
Now Elon has revealed he is a nazi trying to destroy multiple governments. Anyone buying this car is either so out of touch with reality that somehow they’ve missed all this or is secretly a fascist sympathizer.
No they weren’t. They broke from the weirdest shit, like getting rained on, and their repair policy is garbage.
No, they really weren't. Maybe for people more into gadgets than cars.
But they do have an unbelievable recall counts for such a shallow fleet.
The vast majority of the "recalls" are just over-the-air software updates to improve behavior/fix bugs. The NHTSA didn't distinguish a routine software update from an actual recall at all until last December.
Even if we ignore the muskrat I'm worried about:
- They fail the first MOT in Denmark.
- The dash that forces you to look at a screen to operate.
- The emergency door handles you have to practice finding.
- The accidents caused by the large engine.
And then there's how they service their cars and the OTA updates.
I'm gonna agree with you on the middle two points as I can't be arsed to look up the story about Denmark so I'll just ignore it, but what's that about the large motor(s) causing accidents? That sounds more like user error to me. To Tesla's credit, they even have a "chill mode" acceleration setting that makes it way less sensitive.
I'll admit I've only ever driven one Model Y LR, but even on the full power setting, while it had impressive acceleration, it never felt like I was going to kill myself by looking at the accelerator pedal wrong.
The issue in Denmark while true, is exacerbated by the brakes not being used due to regen braking which can cause rust to appear on the pads. You fail if there's rust.
You need to use the brakes more often to avoid the rust and or do some intentional hard braking to clear it if it builds up.
That wasn't the only problem, but it was a significant factor.
Edit: another one that I don't know if it impacts the test, is the model 3s front control arms were prone to getting water in them. There was a service bulletin to seal them, but even that wasn't always enough. So that's a pretty common repair item on older models 3s, the result of which is squeaking while driving, but not saftey impact to the vehicle or driver.
Yeah nobody beats then on range per euro, but luckily a lot of people think there’s more to a car than just that. They are also known for very confrontational customer service and refusing to even comment when confronted by the media.
We went with the Polestar 2 and Cupra Born.
The i4 m50 is also a cool option in the same-ish price range.
EX90 is the «dream» car, but it’s too costly. Maybe a used Polestar 3 in the future. It’s the same platform, just a bit smaller.
EX90 is built in the US for western markets, China for Asia.
I5 and EQE in Germany for western markets, China for Asia.
They are also known for very confrontational customer service
In China, a customer who complained about their quality got sued by them and now owes them a huge amount of money. For talking about something that was a factual issue.
Huh, I thought the Polestar 2 was a lot more than it apparently is. I thought it was near EX90 pricing.
Yeah I agree, I want more from a car than just efficiency and power. Most cars I've owned, the interior is genuinely a nice place to be. The marques so far (and there have been multiple of some) have included Audi, BMW, MB, one Porsche, a Chrysler and now a Subaru. Minus the one MB that I got preowned at 3 years, they've all been over a decade old, yet they've felt pretty damn nice to sit in. The Chrysler (300M, not to be confused with 300 or 300C) and the Porsche (well optioned Cayenne S 955) felt pretty special I'd even say. Those two cars are the ones I miss the most, but their fuel economy stings hard. Admittedly the Chrysler with its V6 and 4 speed auto was still less thirsty than the Subaru.
Sure that was the "engineers" idea
It was a status symbol like apple phones. Nordic countries have some of the highest iPhone percentages outside america.
Wait what fart sounds? 😂
The cars have a setting to replace turn signal sounds with farts and there is a long list of sound options to chose from.
just part of the Elon Musk "epic" experience. dude is a 4chan post come to life…
Wow. The man is like a six year old.
your first clue is that he thinks the letter x is very cool
ngl that sounds pretty cool
*for like the first 3 hours
Seeing as nobody ever seems to use their turn signals, no one probably noticed that option who bought this car.
Huh? I thought sales of their shares was good, as indicated by the falling price... No? Well, get started then.
Shit he must have lost out on dozens of sales.
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