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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 23 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

everything you say to your echo/alexa has always been sent to amazon.

theres literally been leaks proving it.

[–] Sovereign@lemm.ee 1 points 16 hours ago

I thought so… I was like wait what dont they already have to process all that data?! And no doubt its in a db somewhere… thats just how things are done. Even if they werent a malicious company, they would still need to save the data to improve the product and for analytics..

[–] Sovereign@lemm.ee 4 points 16 hours ago

This is horrible. Has this not already been happening tho??

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If Corporations were people, they'd be disappeared in the night for stuff like this.

Which is why they're not people.

Why anyone would want some Tech company spybot sifting through their private experiences is beyond me, but that's definitely what they are doing.

[–] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

Which is why they're not people.

But the C-suite and board are almost like humans. And that's even better for... things.

[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 83 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If you were using one, you were already okay with this.

[–] turnip@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Which Pinevox or Openvoice may be an alternative one day. I think I recall HomeAssistant had something in the works too.

https://pine64.org/devices/pinevox/

https://www.openvoiceos.org/

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah. Hell, chances are they were already

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[–] cqst@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 19 hours ago

My parents have an Alexa and I have no choice in whether they install one in our house or not. I doubt they would be convinced by my pleas about privacy. So unfortunately and reduction in whatever privacy that was left is a shame.

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

There's no way they weren't doing this already.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I mean if they were doing this already there would be no point in sending this email out. They would have just happily continued letting people think it wasn’t happening while doing it anyway, while not having to deal with the backlash this will generate.

[–] Teknikal@eviltoast.org 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My suspicion is they probably need to announce it now for some legal reason but there's no Amazon device with the power to do this locally so it's definitely always been sent to them.

Now would they delete that right away or analyse it first, I kinda think they would have always done the latter.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I mean there’s no legal reason that would exist now that didn’t before.

My guess is that they did honor the setting, but that was because the amount of people that used it was so low vs the total number of people that used the devices. Now with smart speaker adoption rates declining, and their desire to train AI, they have to dip into the pool of people that opted not to share.

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[–] tabular@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

Who the hell is the manufacture to decide if a remote feature no longer functions? (I'm guessing people don't rent these devices from Amazon - it's your property).

I don't need your concent, it's in your best interests - Amazon

[–] adhdplantdev@lemm.ee 3 points 20 hours ago

Duh. This why no one should have this tech as the arbiters can never be trusted with public saftey/good.

[–] faberyayo@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, just avoid the oligarchy tech

[–] PeteZa@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I agree. Although it’s nearly impossible at this point. Especially with Amazon running a significant portion of the internet with AWS. Each one of us most likely touches an Amazon server multiple times a day, even if we don’t have any Amazon subscriptions.

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago

That doesn't matter. You only need to worry about boycotting things within your control, like Amazon shopping and their consumer products. AWS is profitable, but so is Amazon.com.

Buying something at a different store is always a dub even if that store is using AWS on the backend.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Like the other person said, you can at least control what you interact with directly. So you cancel your Prime subscription and turn your lights with your hand instead of an Echo but you don’t worry so much about trying to figure out if any of the several companies involved in making [product] have some form of attachment to AWS.

And there will be some level of consumption in this horrible system that’s not gunna be good in order for you to not be horribly depressed but people can shed more than they think and alternatives do exist for many of the ones you might put at lower priority.

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[–] DaChrissy@reddthat.com 89 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Amazon really got people to pay to be spied on. Wild world we live in bois

[–] Jocker@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago

Great, they made it public.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

For anyone with existing Home Assistant setup, the Home Assistant Voice Preview is pretty good alternative, when it comes to voice control of HA. The setup is very easy. If you want conversational functionality, you could even hook it up to an LLM, cloud or local. It can also be used for media playback and it's got an aux out port.

I used to use Google Home Mini for voice control of Home Assistant. The Voice Preview replaced that rather nicely.

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[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you do not want to set your voice recordings setting to 'Don't save recordings,' please follow these steps before March 28th:

Am I the only one curious to know what these steps are? The image cuts off the rest of the email.

[–] pogmommy@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 day ago
  1. Unplug your amazon echo devices
  1. Hit it with a hammer
  1. Send it to an electronics recycler
[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If anyone else is wondering, I’ve not found a verbatim quote of the steps but I did see an article that mentioned the consequences. It seems like you will be able to turn this off but it will disable Voice ID:

anyone with their Echo device set to “Don’t save recordings” will see their already-purchased devices’ Voice ID feature bricked. Voice ID enables Alexa to do things like share user-specified calendar events, reminders, music, and more. Previously, Amazon has said that "if you choose not to save any voice recordings, Voice ID may not work." As of March 28, broken Voice ID is a guarantee for people who don't let Amazon store their voice recordings.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 209 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Publicly, that is. They have no doubt been doing it in secret since they launched it.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago (25 children)

Off-device processing has been the default from day one. The only thing changing is the removal for local processing on certain devices, likely because the new backing AI model will no longer be able to run on that hardware.

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[–] richardisaguy@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (5 children)

How the fuck does anyone even buy one of these

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can get them on Amazon.

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[–] AynRandLibertarian@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (13 children)

The same people who buy mobile phones; despite those being bugs/spy-devices.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

True, but a mobile phone is basically a world brain, calculator, camera, flashlight, you can watch movies on it in hi def, hate it all you want, it's one of the most versatile tools on the planet. An echo dot, it just spy garbage and nothing else

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

More directly comparable, is the Ring cameras inside the house.

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[–] PeterisBacon@lemm.ee 99 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have always told people to avoid Amazon.

They have doorbells to watch who comes to your house and when.

Indoor and outdoor security cameras to monitor when you go outside, for how long, and why.

They acquired roomba, which not only maps out your house, but they have little cameras in them as well, another angle to monitor you through your house in more personal areas that indoor cameras might not see.

They have the Alexa products meant to record you at all times for their own use and intent.

Why do you think along with Amazon Prime subscriptions you get free cloud storage, free video streaming, free music? They are categorizing you in the most efficient and accurate way possible.

Boycott anything Amazon touches

[–] swampdownloader@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I agree with your sentiment and despise Amazon but they do not own roomba the deal fell through.

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[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 51 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Want to setup a more privacy friendly solution?

Have a look at Home Assistant! It’s a great open source smart home platform that recently released a local (so not processing requests in the cloud) voice assistant. It’s pretty neat!

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 day ago

They literally could just leave the feature on the device, but then you can't force your users to send you all their data, voices, thoughts and first borns

Fuck Amazon, fuck Bezos

[–] kaerypheur@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

🔴 I'm sorry Dave, I can't do that.

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[–] 52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 81 points 1 day ago (5 children)

People are saying don't get an echo but this is the tip of an iceberg. My coworkers' cell phones are eavesdropping. My neighbors doorbells record every time I leave the house. Almost every new vehicle mines us for data. We can avoid some of the problem but we cannot avoid it all. We need a bigger, more aggressive solution if we are going to have a solution at all.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago
[–] muh_shroom@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I can’t believe people are still voluntarily wire tapping themselves in 2025

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[–] Billybob22@feddit.uk 15 points 1 day ago

Just sold my 3 devices and shut down Amazon account. It's very liberating and I don't miss it one bit. Have Home Assistant and a couple of really good 2nd hand Sonos speakers.

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