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A few years back, there was a major salmonella outbreak from eating raw cookie dough. Several people died, but most recovered, although i recall one woman who had lots of complications, and will never be right again.
Don't eat raw commetcial cookie dough, unless you made it yourself.
The last guy who asked the same thing got told to go ahead and try. He hasn't been heard from since. Some say he's just not finished trying the infinite variety of cookie dough.
Raw eggs are no problem I've seen Rocky
the risk mostly comes from the flour
According to an announcement by the U.S. Food & Drug Administration (FDA), nearly 30,000 cases of cookie dough are being recalled due to potential Salmonella contamination. Though the recall was initiated on May 2, 2024, it remains ongoing.
The Rise Baking Company (under its subsidiary, South Coast Baking) is voluntarily recalling cases of cookie dough shipped across the nation. The recall includes eight different products sold at Costco, Sam's Club, and Panera Bread, among others.
Sounds like a USA problem.
Come to Germany, here you can even eat raw pork! It's called Met and it's delicous.
UHHH
Nothing stops you eating raw pork here other than that pork used to be riddled with diseases in "ye good ole days," and the fear still exists. You can buy it raw and eat it that way if you want.
Until USDA is gutted.
Still won't be illegal. Just probably would actually be full of parasites again.
Some creepy video appeared to me yesterday where a woman poured soda on raw pork and a bunch of worms emerged. Seen it?
The Bundesinstitut für Risikoforschung (BfR) recommends to not eat raw dough, not because of salmonella but E. Coli and EHEC. Check out this publication: https://www.bfr.bund.de/cm/429/010_stec_ehec-infektionen_durch_rohen_teig.pdf
mett, met is honey wine :D
I don't know how people make cakes and cookies witbout eating it raw. It seems to be an american thing. Am I the only Australian eating cake batter and cookie dough?
Haha no you're not the only one, I don't do it after I became a chef and had sanitary practices drilled into my brainhole but whenever I'm cooking with someone in the kitchen they go nuts that they get to have all the batter to themselves.
It's generally pretty safe, especially in Australia. You are still at risk for E Coli from eating the uncooked flour though.
I've still eaten things that AFAIK should've hospitalized me and I've been fine, the risks associated with food have come down a lot in recent years but there is still always a risk.
Cooking times, temps, danger zones etc just guarantee that the food is okay to be consumed but you can usually push the envelope if your adventurous and have no harm done.
Do stay away from old pastas and rices that haven't kept properly, that shit will kill you.
If you're making it from scratch (with vaccinated chicken's eggs) and eating it right away, the risk of contamination is very low. It's industrial mixes and old (or poorly handled) mix that are a problem.
I have never known anyone to get sick but my possibly not-quite-accurate understanding suggests this may be more of a North American thing because we blast our eggs with chemicals that weaken the shell. While the idea is to kill the salmonella, it also can allow it to permeate the shell and infect the egg, making the chance of getting sick from poorly handled uncooked eggs higher if they have not been kept refrigerated.
"North American", no, just American. I eat my tartare with raw eggs just fine up here in Canada 😂
I'm Canadian. I've also worked at egg facilities here. We treat our eggs the same as the US. Result is the same risk.
As a kid I often got to lick the Mixmaster beaters when Mum was making biscuits or a cake.
It's not just salmonella from the egg, it's also e coli from the raw flour.
If you want to make yourself cookie dough, remember to bake loose flour for a bit first to kill any microbes in that, too.
You can tank both of those things. You might get sick but they probably wont kill you if you're lucky. Cookie dough should have some risk, its the only way to balance it.
However, bacillus cereus and other bacillus strains can kill you or lead to amputation of limbs.
I can live with 1 less arm
I was initially mad at this comment but you're right. Cookie dough is too good. Literally an OP food. The fear of shitting your guts out is the only thing stopping a somewhat reasonable person like me from eating a whole pound of it.
It's just the universe's way of maintaining balance. Kind of like when humanity invented Olestra and the universe said "ok that's fine, but if you eat a bag of Doritos your ass is going to leak."
I remember there being a comedy site back when olestra was a thing where some dude decided to test how much he'd have to eat before basically shitting himself inside out. He essentially journaled gradually increasing amounts for like a week and a half. If memory serves, it was roughly one whole bag of chips in a day before symptoms began and 2 bags before he hit full on ass leakage.
the funny thing is he continued to eat after symptoms started showing
Well duh, there was science to be done
How many bags before he can submit himself to NASA as a means of interstellar propulsion?
though home methods of making the raw flour edible is often inconsistent in terms of how safe it makes the flour, the best practice is to buy cookie dough made to be edible raw, rather than rely on your half-baked attempt at making raw flour edible 😅 (source)
While some recipes suggest DIY methods to “heat-treat” flour at home, such as baking it in the oven or microwaving it, these methods are inconsistent and may not effectively eliminate all pathogens, including Salmonella, which is particularly heat-resistant in low-moisture foods like flour.
To pasteurize wheat flour (e.g., in 5-lb bags) with different moisture contents (e.g., 11.6 percent and 14.5 percent) using an RF heating process (volumetric heating), the holding time required at a specific target temperature can be predicted by measuring or calculating the high-temperature water activities of the flour samples, and then determining their corresponding D-values for Salmonella. In this case, calculations indicate that the water activities at room temperature for the two batches of flour are 0.43 and 0.64, which would increase to 0.69 and 0.82, respectively, at 80°C. According to the equation shown in Figure 4, the D80 values of Salmonella at these water activity levels are 3.2 and 1.2 minutes, respectively. To achieve a 5-log reduction, the two flour batches must be held at 80 °C for 16 and 6 minutes, respectively.
I think the issue here is not that you can't pasteurize flour yourself, but that many DIY tutorials are dangerous and they should be regulated.
Also it takes a very long time to heat raw flour and it hardly seems worth the effort. Just make oat flour from rolled oats. You're eating the dough raw, so what do you need egg or gluten for in the first place?
Yeah, I think if the average person reads that they can heat treat the flour to make it safe, that it will lead some (most?) to then ineffectually heat treat the flour and then assume it's no longer a risk.
I agree that it doesn't make sense for most people to pasteurize the flour themselves 😅
Yeah I did once, like when I was 8. I don't recommend it, vomitting and shitting sucks a lot.
You can make your own edible cooking dough. You just have to pasteurize the eggs and flour. If I'm not mistaken, I think the flour is more dangerous than the eggs.
There are even shops which sell edible cookie dough pre-made if you'd prefer the convenience.
