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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 85 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Last civil war was about state rights to own slaves. Now its state right to avoid trade distribution?

My god the writers need to be fired.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And big money in politics. I’d argue Citizens United was the Dread Scott of our time.

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[–] Rene@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (5 children)

EU is already trying to specifically target products from red states with tariffs.

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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 123 points 2 days ago (24 children)

Unfortunately this runs into constitutional problems. While the spineless subhuman creatures in congress and the supreme court seem to have no problem with Trump and his administration ignoring the constitution I fully expect them to come down hard on any state that does so (at least in cases that go against Trump and his policies).

[–] peregrin5@lemm.ee 102 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Don't have to care about being unconstitutional if you're not part of the union.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 53 points 2 days ago (9 children)

That's great in theory but just as unrealistic in practice for California as it always has been for Texas. The single biggest stumbling block for any state to leave the union for any reason is the military. Most of the other problems can be resolved within the borders of the state, but the disposition of existing and theoretical new military hardware, personnel, and bases will always be a sticking point even assuming the federal government and the other states are willing to let them leave.

Any attempt to leave the US that has any hope of succeeding would be a very long and protracted process that would make Brexit look breakneck in comparison. We're talking at least a couple decades at a minimum.

It's either that or another civil war and that has so many variables I'm not sure anyone has any hope of predicting how that would turn out.

[–] lemmus@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Water is more of an issue than the military. The US relies heavily on California for food so that would be a bargaining chip.

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[–] towelie@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Something something taxation.... something something representation... help me out here americans

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[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 81 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If Trump thinks he's above the Constitution why can't a state?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

No, there is legal precedence for this

Under NAFTA states could impose their own tariffs because NAFTA was a Federal agreement and countries would have to negotiate free trade with individual states

This is just the reverse of that

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (7 children)

As a non-American, the more i learn about US states, the more I realise that the country is more like a reluctant confederation than an actual unified country.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, it made sense when a horse was the fastest way to travel over land. These days? We're stuck with a ridiculous government structure designed when no one knew how democracies worked.

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[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It would be ironic if businesses come back to California because of the tariffs.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Secede and then we can trade :)

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[–] goldenquetzal@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Holy shit, my prediction model forecast this. 🍿 This is actually a major step toward derailing this coup.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Glad to hear, im Canadian and i have no problem buying American products from certain states.

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[–] PurpleSkull@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hope this falls through. Any trade deals that allow the US to circumvent Trumps policies and thus keep his regime going is bad. The big crash needs to happen before people are motivated to fight back. The slow frog boil is what led us here to begin with.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

This IS what fighting back looks like. It takes many forms.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Kudos to California. The neo-Nazi filled MAGA is all about state rights and I hope they tell California to secede.

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