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Lawyer for U-M protester detained at airport after spring break trip with family (www.freep.com)
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[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 162 points 4 days ago (2 children)

These cases make the headlines, but they must be casually searching electronics and getting all kinds of private data, photos, videos, etc. They unlock your phone and download everything for their amusement and to violate your rights later. The fact that they’ll fuck with a lawyer to get his client’s info says volumes about the restraint being shown.

It might still feel like everything is normal in the US, but realize that you’re living in a fascist state in its infancy. The rule of law no longer applies.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

This has been the case since the Patriot Act was passed during Bush's Presidency after 9/11.

And let's not forget the massive civil society surveillance aparatus that Snowden revealed..

The US has been moving away from Democracy and into Authoritanism for a long time, all with full bipartisan approval.

Trump or somebody like him getting elected and taking the gloves of the whole authoritarianism aparatus that was built and supported by previous Administrations, was always going to happen.

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

The US has been moving away from Democracy and been Authoritarian since it's creation, all with full bipartisan approval.

Ftfy

[–] carrion0409@lemm.ee 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I hope we manage to strangle the baby sooner or later...

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

South Korea did it this year. The USA can do it too.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Is this a reference to something?

[–] homoludens@feddit.org 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

a fascist state in its infancy

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Edit: And just like that I fuck up and reply to the wrong comment. Oh Lemmy, you always have a way of reminding me why I hate using phones to read and type.

~~That doesn't answer their question, though.~~

~~The reply about NK seems out of place. Someone says a joke about strangling a [fascist] baby [in it's state of infancy] and another mentions some event (presumably involving infanticide) happening in the most repressed and propagandized country in the world, but fails to mention what event they refer to. I am also confused...~~

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 99 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I'm a nobody American citizen. I'll be traveling internationally for a short vacation soon and already decided that the only electronics I'm taking are a burner phone and a loaner laptop I'm checking out from the public library. I have nothing to hide, but the GOP administration have shown they'll make up any excuse to invade privacy and restrict liberty.

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 34 points 4 days ago

I have nothing to hide

Yeah, you do.

You might run into an extra grumpy customs/ICE/TSA/whatever person who felt offended at your mere existence.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Your public library allows you take their loaner laptops out of the country?

[–] mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.works 63 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They do if you don't tell em

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

So buy one from walmart/amazon and return it when your done. Don't potentially fuck over your local library, one of the few remaining bastions of public service, when TSA decides it's suspiciously clean (and/or finds probable traces from the person that had it before you).

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

How am I fucking over my library? If it is seized at the border, I'm on the hook to pay to replace it, and I will.

[–] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They aren't in the business of selling laptops. Even if you pay for it they are still out time and resources.

Edit: But the post I was replying to was suggesting lieing (by omission) to the library, which is a shitty thing to do.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Have you ever managed a fleet of computers (corporate, education, industrial, etc)? I can tell you from first hand experience that a dead/damaged/missing/stolen computer is simply business as usual. Also the likelihood it will be seized at the border is low. Its not none, but it is low.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Two words for you: restocking fees!

[–] Bocky@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Rental fee*

[–] taulover@sopuli.xyz -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

If your trip is less than 2 weeks then you can also buy one from the Apple Store

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Walmarts return policy for electronics is also only 2 weeks. I know because ill rent out a laptop from them about once a year.

[–] taulover@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 days ago

Ah so it's the same. Whenever I have a MacBook in for repairs under warranty I just go and buy another one and return it when I pick up my repaired one haha

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

As long as you post online about it

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I was as amazed as you and went and checked my local library and indeed they do rent laptops.

[–] GrassCat@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

it’s not rent, you get to borrow them for free.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

that's potentially very dangerous--taking a laptop you do not know the history of or what may be hidden in metadata or unused sectors of the internal storage.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Everything is potentially dangerous. US Citizens have been deported

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 days ago

I suppose in that sense, getting any used laptop is always risky. You could pull the hard drive and run some kind of USB live distro.

I suppose they could try to say you had something illegal in the firmware / BIOS. Like ascii stick figure CSAM? 🤷

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

I hope you have a safe trip and safe return.

Remember to not volunteer any information, and keep answers to questions short and on point. If you can, make sure to tell your friends and family who are staying in the states about your expected departure and return times. Also look up one or two lawyers to have on speed dial on your burner (smart move btw!!).

[–] carrion0409@lemm.ee 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Good to know this regime will stop at nothing to get your data and incriminate you. I'm an absolute nobody to them but I've still been locking down my devices. I've left all Microsoft platforms as I consider them to be a hostile entity and a fascist collaborator. I've been moving away from Google products where possible. Shout out to reddit for doing the work for me when it comes to leaving their shitty platform by giving me a site wide and probably ip ban for shit talking Musk and the regime. It's gonna be a very long 4 minimum years if this is how it's going not even 6 months in.