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It was the weirdest thing being raised Jewish in the 1980s
Constantly reminded of the holocaust and to be on alert for fascists.
But then Israel and Zionism?
None of it added up.
“Next year in Jerusalem” my grandparents said this their whole lives.
“Why don’t we just go there?” I would ask
Having Jerusalem wasn’t enough.
They wanted to exterminate Palestinians.
How is that different than the holocaust?
It's not. Zionism is antisemitism
Another Lemmy comment I read the other day explained it that "never again" meant "never again against us."
"Why don't we just go there?"
"Shutupshutupshutupshutup"
lol the amount of times that was the response to my questions
What am I not understanding here? Did they not want you to see the treatment of the Palestinians or something
Religions do not want the children they’re grooming to think critically.
That is not typically how Judaism works though. At least for the Jews around me, Judaism is a culture centered around asking critical questions. God doesn't even enter the equation for a great many Jews, that's not the point. The point is using the tradition, the rituals and the community to remember and better understand the past and to use that understanding to prevent the same kind of tragedy in the future.
Anyway, that's the kind of thing we talked about at my sedar.
That’s a load of hooey dude. I was raised Jewish.
God is the first thing. And the last thing in that tradition
Come on dude. Don’t tell a lie like that.
It’s so demonstrably false.
I mean, different people have different traditions for sure, and I have no intention of invalidating your beliefs and upbringing in any way. And there are of course also different denominations of Judaism, Orthodox and Conservative Jews for example are much more focused on God for certain. But in the US, Reform Jews are the most common and for most Reform Jews tradition and community tend to be the most important tenents, faith in God coming in somewhere behind those.
It’s so demonstrably false.
That strikes me as extraordinarily difficult to demonstrate...
Easy demonstration.
Me in Jewish Sunday school late 1980s.
Rabbi or whoever : god said let there be light and then Adam and Eve and whatnot etc. other hilarious explanations of the world by scientifically illiterates ancient people.
Me: “what about the Big Bang? And dinosaurs? The Torah says nothing about cheeseburgers. Why can u not eat one?”
…..
So how does one example demonstrate that Jews, as a group all hold that belief?
It seems to me more like you're just trying to spread divisive sentiments, like a troll.
The Ten Commandments
And of course not “all” of anything are going to be identical.
But you know that. It’s a bad-faith argument.
The exceptions prove the rule and all that.
It’s just more proof that:
BAD FAITH ARGUMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO DEFEND RELIGIONS
Bad faith arguments indeed... I've been nothing but reasonable, which anyone reading this can clearly see. So when I politely pointed out that your arguments are weak, you changed tactics, trying to discredit me instead. At this point that effort only provides additional supporting evidence that you are in fact just a troll.
It seems we have a fundamental disagreement here (or more than one)
First off— dismissing my dissent as “trolling” is wack.
Secondly- you made no points besides “not all are like that”
Ok buddy.
Go pray to god or whatever.
I’m not here to argue just to share my perspective.
Dismiss me if you must, but it’s harder to dismiss my arguments huh?
That’s why you’re mad and calling me a troll. Because you’re mad that I make sense and it causes you to question your foundational beliefs.
I ain’t mad at you. This is part of the growing process.
Good luck!
You're both wrong! Judaism is a culture centered around matzo ball soup.
Legit.
Great that the Jewish communities are speaking up against Trump using them as a reason to deport people... Great.
But where were all the jewish communities' demonstrations about the actions of Israels government in their name?
I know a lot of Jewish people do not support them. But by not speaking up, they are allowing it to keep happening.
The Jewish community has been speaking up. The problem is that the global Jewish community doesn't actually control the Israeli government, so there's only so much that speaking up can do. Also, the population of Israel tend to see things quite differently from American Jews. It's very unfortunate that Jews in Israel do seem to have forgotten the Holocaust...
They have been. Jewish voice for peace has been protesting Israel since before most people have been born, and most Orthodox Jews have always protested zionism, since it's an anti Jewish religion.
Could more protest? Sure, but that's true of any group. Why did Americans protest American border policy for under trump but not Obama or biden.
Because Americans don't care about people, they just play politics like its a team sport.
Whenever Democrats are in power, the left gets lazy. Even though that is when they could actually press their issues through.
And the republicans are racists, they would never protest such a thing lol.
everywhere I've looked there were Jewish protesting, doing encampments, taking non stop against this.
still plenty of Israelis or zionist being full fash about it, but they should be ignored and let history leave them being and hopefully, they'll get to live in a world that detests them