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Is it only ornamental? And why are they usually webbed feet (or at least they are in my experience)?

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[–] okmko@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

It's known that the more wealth you acquire, the stronger your foot fetish becomes.

It's known.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 40 points 1 day ago

Because look at those cute little footsies

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 152 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Okay so there are layers to this question:

Why does antique furniture usually have carved feet?

First, antique furniture tends to be the fancy stuff for rich people. Modest furniture made out of a few boards for the unwashed masses usually isn't considered for preservation, but the fancy shit rich people bought got kept.

Rich people tend to like to show off how rich they are. And one way to do that up until fairly recently was through furniture. Maybe you use exotic wood, but even if you don't do that you pay a woodworker to waste his life carving useless intricate details like pineapple newel posts or ornate table legs.

The claw-clutching-a-ball design apparently comes from China, it's supposed to be a dragon's foot clutching a jewel. The British adopted it in the Queen Anne period because it's ornate, fancy and ~~foreign~~ exotic. Rich people get to brag that they got their table, or a taste for the style, "during their travels." Ball-and-claw feet specificall would fall out of fashion with the Chippendale era though fancy schmancyness would hit an all time maximum, and then the industrial revolution happened.

It used to take a skilled artisan to make carvings like that with a chisel. Now, we have duplicating machines that can batch them out dozens at a time. This episode of the New Yankee Workshop shows this off. When building his Lowboy, Norm doesn't even try to carve cabriole legs, he buys them from a company that makes them, and we get a little footage of the factory. This is why you don't see the Zuckerbergs of the world showing off ostentatious carved furniture: ornate carvings are commodity items now. You can buy furniture with cabriole legs and arch cornices at any of those big warehouses out by the highway with a "Going out of business forever" sign out front.

Is it only ornamental?

95% yes. Speaking as a woodworker I can tell you, people overwhelmingly like looking at tapered legs. Our own legs taper, so we tend to copy that. From fancy cabriole legs to simple shaker furniture. A flared foot of any kind is mostly ornamental because again our own feet flare out, but there is a bit of a practical purpose: A larger surface area with a rounded edge is easier to slide across the floor than a small, sharply edged end of a board. It doesn't tend to dig in as much, particularly on carpet. Also, the rounded features are more difficult to chip and splinter.

Why are they usually webbed feet?

It's meant to be a dragon's foot, so somewhere between reptilian and birdlike. It is also furniture, not a statue, so it's rather stylized and not very anatomical.

[–] uienia@lemmy.world 1 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 39 minutes ago)

The claw clutching a pearl is just one variant of countless others. We have furniture from ancient Egypt and Rome which has legs carved as animal feet, so it is not a tradition that stems from the British via China.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I agree with all of this except the part about making things pretty being a waste. Beauty has its own value, although far too often for pieces like this it was more for bragging rights as you said.

[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Also plenty of craftsmen make beautiful shit without being rich. Bragging rights is a weird way to say creative effort in that sense.

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I have been rendered incapable of seeing beauty in ostentatious displays of wealth.

[–] Surprise_surprise@lemmynsfw.com 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I fucking love it when a specialist with relevant expertise who also happens to be a good writer gives a full on contextual breakdown that's super accessible, well organized, well informed and a pleasure to read, on a topic I never even thought about. It's the stuff lemmy dreams are made of.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't mistake me for a scholar, now. I'm a guy with a thickness planer in his backyard shed that's read a couple books and watched a lot of videos about building furniture. I'm confident I could defend the rank of "enthusiast."

That said, it is something I liked about Reddit. You could post "Left-handed theoretical psycho-ornithologists of Reddit..." and you'd get at least a few credible answers.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Oh man we certainly do struggle. It's like all the tools they make for actually doing theoretical psycho-ornithology are right handed! You know what I mean?

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Wait a minute! What tools? You're supposed to be doing theory! You're a field psycho-ornithologist, aren't you?

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

You know, chalk... markers...

Actually, we use quills a surprising amount of the time!

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 81 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Decorative flourish for the most part. A lot of that old stuff was crafted by hand rather than a machine so it tends not to be designed for mass production.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago

A foot like this is a blend of decorative and functional, imo.

You end up with more surface area than if you had just gone with a straight column, and that helps with stability, slightly lessens the pressure.

Many modern tables or desks have... much less ornate footpad type structures, if the thing itself is quite heavy, or intended to hold a decent amount of weight.

Of course... I have no way of knowing if this old... desk? table? whatever it is, was intentionally designed with that in mind, but the function is still there, at least to some degree.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The metal ones were quite often mass produced by casting, like in claw-foot bathtubs. Probably in imitation of older artisanal pieces, which were already antiques in, say, 1910.

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[–] Leeks@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That design is known as “Ball and Claw”. It likely originated in the east with some symbolism, but when it went west, craftsman thought it looked cool and started copying it with minor changes.

More info: https://www.furniturelibrary.com/use-of-the-ball-claw-design-motif/

[–] meadow@ragu.meadow.cafe 2 points 15 hours ago

Thanks! I find the mythological aspect of it fascinating. I'm sure there're other interpretatios, but from the site you shared

Almost all historical sources believe that the Ball & Claw design was derived from the Chinese: a dragon’s claw grasping a crystal ball, or a pearl, or sometimes a scared, flaming jewel. In Chinese mythology, the dragon (Emperor) would be guarding (with the triple claw foot) the symbol (ball – for wisdom, or purity) from evil forces trying to steal it.

Another interpretation is that the ball symbolizes a polished river stone being held firmly by a crane, who stands diligently over her nest. Resting on one leg, with the stone held in mid air by the other, the mother crane watches over her young and would quickly awaken if she were to fall asleep and drop the stone.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago

Pfft, look at this person giving an actual answer. Jokes, opinions and political rants only. /s

[–] Steve@startrek.website 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also because SURVIVING antique stuff is still here because it is fancy and well made.

Plenty of cheap shit was made at the same time and long ago burned in the trash pile.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

With all 4.5 children inhaling the lead paint fumes wafting off of it, or something like that. Ahh, the old days.

[–] 0x01@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 day ago

Cause it's freakin cool

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] aviationeast@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

...what about their legs? They don't need those...

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Looks like wood is back on the menu, boys!

[–] meadow@ragu.meadow.cafe 2 points 15 hours ago

Because it hurts less when you hit your foot against it when going to the toilet during the night

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They are the children of Baba Yaga's house.

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[–] marketsnodsbury@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Webbed toes help them swim more efficiently. As more and more furniture moved indoors, the shape of the legs and feet evolved to the drier climate. You can still find modern pieces where the look has been replicated, but the webbing tends to be decorative in nature, not functional.

[–] CommissarVulpin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There’s nothing more majestic than a galloping herd of wild chaise lounges…

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Fainting goats actually evolved from the fainting couch, an evolutionary cousin to the chaise lounge.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

As for why webbed, because it was easier than carving the toes out completely, and probably more stable.

[–] CountVon@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

I agree that stability, durability and ease of manufacture were the likely reasons.They probably weren't intended to be seen as webbed feet though. More likely they're meant to depict taloned claws clutching a sphere.

What else would they do, hands? That would be silly.

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (6 children)
[–] DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Given the trash that passes for furniture these days I expect that in 50 years or so people will still be hunting for stuff from the early 1900s or earlier to put into their place.

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[–] CaptainBlagbird@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's just the ones that survived, the others weren't able to run away.

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