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Leftymemes mod nukes anti-AI comments (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 17 hours ago by dragonfucker@lemmy.nz to c/fediverselore@lemmy.ca

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https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog/6777

Most of the removals are for being "off topic", but one removal cites rules against disrespect and liberalism. The mod maintains that a leftist meme community isn't the place for political debate.

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[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

There's no drama here to begin with, I think that the mod acted correctly, and I think drag is being disingenuous.

The anti-AI messages were removed only if completely off-topic. Note how, for example, 9point6's comment is still there; it is anti-AI but it's still on-topic (see the pic).

The exception removed per rules 1 and 3 was this comment:

A mod of !fediverse_vs_disinfo@lemmy.dbzer0.com is posting AI slopaganda [insert image macro saying "ironic"]

The comment is not just attacking the fact that the pic was made by AI; it's also calling the message itself propaganda and disinfo. That clearly violates rules 1 (socialist unity) and 3 (no liberalism), since the commenter is splitting people based on some tangential matter and attacking a message socialists agree with.

The mod maintains that a leftist meme community isn’t the place for political debate.

Not every political space is a space for discussion. Specially not discussions unrelated to the matter at hand.

[+] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

Drag believes the mod's comment shutting down criticism of slop is pro-slop propaganda; slopaganda.

Gen AI has no place in leftist movements. It's owned by capital.

[–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

My retort to this standard 'ai has no place in leftist spaces' is pretty straightforward

I 'stole' a model that has now been fine-tuned on my own hardware, which is powered by solar.

I use this model primarily to write letters to judges for leftists, lgbt+, and street kids, to use when they go to court for small infractions. These will usually contain some old case law, some cultural references, and historical references, as well as the statements from these victims of a police state gone mad, and character references from their neighbours/community.

I am not a lawyer, nor a scholar. I live in the woods and maintain a mostly off-grid lifestyle. I do not have access to lawyers, or community spaces where leftist legal scholars might hang out. The closest damn grocery store is an hour away.

I would not have the time nor ability to source these cases, check on outcomes, and write eloquent letters tailored to each case, but I do have time to prompt my model a few times with the standard template I used to use pre-LLM and then check that any mentioned cases or historical stories are real before sending the letters.

I can say with certainty that 4 of those letters resulted in people going home free who would have likely spent time in jail for simply existing in a manner not approved by the state. And at least 3 more were a significant part of the judge's decision.

Dogpile me if you want. But if you shit on this usage without offering an alternative way to achieve the same thing I will discard your comment as worthless and not reply.

IMO - The small harm done by my local model is VASTLY outweighed by even one innocent person not being confined by the state.

Someone in this thread had mentioned 'We do not simply destroy the means of production, we seize them'. And that feels a lot like truth to me.

[–] Comrade_Spood@slrpnk.net 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

You're example is a good case of using AI well. However I think there is a difference between using AI to help with something, and using AI for the whole thing. I have no qualms with using AI to ease or automate the tedious work, but using it for the whole thing is gross, lazy, and often times scabbing. For example I love Romantically Apocalyptic. Its artists uses an AI trained off of his own art to speed up the process of making art for his books. The images are not 100% AI generated, and what is generated is made from his own art. This I feel is a good use of AI in art. A bad use of AI art is training a model off of other people's art and generating a whole image out of it. Until we live in a society where artists and writers don't need to work to survive, we can't ethically use AI to generate whole works using other people's work imo.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 14 points 16 hours ago

The mod is not shutting down criticism of AI slop. Otherwise they would have nuked the whole comment chain, including 9point6's comment, and yet they did not.

Gen AI has no place in leftist movements. It’s owned by capital.

You don't simply destroy means of production - you seize them.

[–] moreeni@lemm.ee 11 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

That guy (likely your second account) is just posting nonsense. The vote count does not agree with the statement that "people don't like AI" and once again proves that you are in the very vocal minority group.

It's OK to hate AI, though. What is not OK is being so agressive over it, especially when you're being off topic like in the case you linked.

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I don't see how the vote count contradicts that message. As of this moment, the vote count (upvotes - downvotes) is 110 on the parent comment criticizing the use of AI art and 260 on the main post. Technically a minority, but it's a sizable minority.

I also don't agree that it's off-topic. The contents of the meme is the topic. The contents are AI generated, so that makes it one of the topics.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 8 points 16 hours ago

I also don’t agree that it’s off-topic. The contents of the meme is the topic. The contents are AI generated, so that makes it one of the topics.

Personally I see the message of a meme as the topic, with the image being just the medium. However I don't know if the mods of that comm interpret it like I do, like you do, or in another third way.

[–] sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al 1 points 16 hours ago

At this point, I'm half sure that the world would be a better place sans anti-AI zealots than sans AI

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz -5 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Which comment is a drag alt?

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 4 points 14 hours ago

I had my comment also removed by this mod. I just immediately blocked him and the whole community when I saw that he had removed it and was also a mod to the community, so he posted the AI crap, and was just removing any comment criticizing said AI crap.

So no thanks, they can have their trash memes.

I’m so sick of seeing ai crap everywhere. It’s such goddamn lazy brained trash. If your vaguely political message isn’t worth you making yourself then it’s not worth posting in the first place.