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"Once the votes are counted in Ontario, the election is over. We don't matter. We never matter," she said.
You know what Quebeckers do that's smart? They don't have party loyalty. One election, they vote NDP, next one BQ, next LPC, sometimes they give CPC some seats to push them over the edge. We make every single party want to cater to us. We aren't in anyone's pocket.
Do you want to matter? Stop being a fucking CPC stooge.
"Never been represented" forgets that there were ten years of conservative government before the liberal one.
Are they for real, or are they always this delusional?
Conservatives are always the perpetual victims
Conservatives tend to live in an eternal now- what's good for me now? This explains why they don't care about hypocrisy.
But those were Ontario conservatives, not good God fearing Alberta conservatives.
The UCP didn't win the federal election, so they wanna separate.
The UCP are fascist apologists, so they want to align themselves with Herr Drumpf. Ftfy
I was relieved that the CPC didn't form government, but we're still in a lot of danger. Spend any time on X and you can see a full court press going on with propaganda to push Alberta separatism. The same stuff is going on now in Alberta that took place in Crimea prior to 2014, and the online media ecosystem is American. I see a lot of people stating Alberta couldn't separate because of the treaties, but when a powerful country decides they don't care about the laws, the courts aren't going to save you.
βI thought it was a beautiful, fantastic country. But now Iβm so disappointed. Iβm literally crushed that weβll never be represented in this country and thereβs never a chance of changing the government,β Speck said.
What the fuck. It was only 10 years ago that Conservatives were in power.
Literally every single thing Danielle Smith and the UCP espouse to care about is made worse by Alberta becoming a sovereign nation:
Think about what happens to Albertan property values on separation - literally no one is moving here, and many will leave. The "Alberta Edge" becomes even less tenable, and quality of life rapidly erodes.
But maybe they can empty everyone's pensions before they fuck off into the sunset, once the last drop of blood is squeezed out.
They're really talking about becoming the most taxed 51st state, or an erosion of living standards so sharp they'll get whiplash. Ghoulish politics.
Watch out it's the Block Redneckqois
How do you "win" a rally? Show up, talk sedition, claim victory?
Nobody won a rally, it's just a headline that can be parsed to get more than one meaning. I presume this is the correct parsing:
(Subject) [verb] {object}
(Albertans 'crushed' by Liberal election win) [rally] {to separate from Canada}
or phrased less ambiguously:
Albertans who were 'crushed' by the Liberals winning the election went to a rally about separating from Canada
I had to read to the bottom for the best part:
"We have the oil, we have the resources. We're fine," Westernaier said, noting she believed Monday's election was rigged.
Could you guys trade them for California? And maybe Washington?
I'm leaning more towards them emigrating somewhere else. If they wanna go that bad, cool. Lots of people out there who would love to buy their property and live peacefully in Alberta.
Send βem down to carve out a piece of Montana. Call it Alberta South. That way Trump gets his 51st state and we get to be rid of the separatists.
That's fair.
Fascists get very, very upset when the rest of us, the reasonable people, don't want fascism. They are disappointed in us when we don't want to be ruled by their rulers.
They are truly stupid and harmful human beings and they should be loudly ostracized in every community in which they dare to advocate for fascism.
The dipshits in the crowd waving the American flags are the very reason why the rest of Canada dumped the Conservatives in favour of Carney. They are their own enemy.
Being so cruelly deprived of oil pipelines, maybe they can claim refugee status in the USA.
She can yap about it all she wants, there is no support for separatism outside the rabid Wildrose twats. Albertans may vote heavily PC, but this is a complete non-starter.
Me, a Nova Scotian listening to Albertans whine about how underrepresented they are.
Nova Scotia is kinda over represented though.
How?
Average population per riding federally is about 108000 (2021 numbers). For Nova Scotia it's about 88000. AB, BC, and ON are all around 115000 and Quebec is pretty much the only one right on the average.
Edit: I just did some quick spreadsheet math to see how even it could possibly get with the current total number of seats and making sure the territories each kept their seats: SK -3, NB NL NS PE -2 each, MB -1, NT NU QC YT no change, AB +2, BC +3, ON +7
How do those numbers show NS is over represented?
It is what it is, I'm not complaining, but your MPs represent less people than average. NS isn't even that disproportionate, PEI and the territories are way worse.
MPs/100,000 people
BC 0.86
AB 0.87
SK 1.24
MB 1.04
ON 0.86
QC 0.92
NB 1.29
NS 1.13
PE 2.59
NL 1.37
YT 2.49
NT 2.43
NU 2.71
Canadian average 0.93
If you want to argue whether or not population is actually a good measure of over/under representation that's fine, but you can't argue some people's votes count more or less than others.
That makes more sense. I genuinely didnt understand what you were getting at with your previous numbers. This isnt Reddit. It was a genuine question.
But yes, I would argue that Alberta has more actual influence due to its far greater economy. Oil money brings with it influence. We shouldnt pretend Canada is above that.
Nova Scotia simpy isnt that big a player in day to day decision making at the federal level. There isnt as much at stake.
Why is their sense of national unity tied to the success of an industry? Will PEI vote to separate because Canadians aren't eating enough potatoes?
They are so brainwashed it boggles the mind. Alberta could be a solar energy powerhouse, they could build shit, develop a manufacturing sector, but no, it has to be fucking oil and gas forever.
Oil and Gas forever, but also won't build local infrastructure to fully use it, and instead have to ship it elsewhere to refine it etc.
I've heard the PEI separatists are calling for a high speed potato-conveyor tube to transport potatoes for shippment to China.
They'll call it the Trans Canada Potatube. And it'll only cost $35 billion and never recoup it's costs.
Pissed that the rest of Canada won't build pipelines for them. Give them better access to refineries in other provinces. Clearly, leaving the country is the solution.
This is like moving out on your own because your roommates won't clean up after you, and make you pay your share of the bills.
Even the "for them" is such bullshit. It isn't like they are taxing the oil and gas companies to build a better social welfare state. They have the lowest corporate taxes in Canada, very low income taxes, no sales tax. If they wanted they could have made themselves into fucking Norway but no, better lick Oil and Gas boot and identify as a derrick well.
I'd say it's more like insisting your parents legally give you their basement as a separate property.
They're so overdramatic
Call me crazy, but I don't want nationalists in this country, full stop. We can love and respect our nation without being worked into a blind, fervent frenzy.
People are real quick to point out that the Nazi's had "socialist" in their party name, and real fuckin' slow to pick up that it was preceded by "national."
I always believed that nationalism stemmed from the idea of the innate superiority of your nation over the others. Which I find incredibly problematic for obvious reasons. Now patriotism, on the other hand, I believe is something that we all should strive for.
I think the actual term you're looking for is federalist
I think it was the subject of the article who described herself as nationalist
I am not.
Nationalist:
a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
Federalist:
a person who advocates or supports a system of government in which several states unite under a central authority.
Both pulled from the OxfordLanguages dictionary that Google uses.
And, of course, Nazi is short for the German pronunciation of "National Socialist."
The problem is not a belief in government. The problem is in the belief that there is something intrinsically better about your nation that gives you justification to look down on other nations. Fuck nationalism.
Sorry, i misunderstood your comment.
I think we both agree that nationalism sucks, but we want a strong and united canada
An apology and a reasonable dialogue. Fuck me, the internet might be OK.
What a bunch of snowflakes.
"I thought it was a beautiful, fantastic country. But now I'm so disappointed. I'm literally crushed that we'll never be represented in this country and there's never a chance of changing the government," Speck said.
Maybe you could just campaign for electoral reform instead of separating? Since you're landlocked and all? These people are idiots.