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Teens have access to vastly more potent cannabis than their parents had at their age. Parents need to understand the risks, including psychosis

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[–] vane@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

He “dabbled” with other substances as well (Xanax, Ecstasy)

Yeah sure it's cannabis.... I have no words.

[–] blargle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Teens have access to vastly more potent cannabis than their parents had at their age

Oh FFS. I've been hearing this same bullshit for the last 25 years and it's still irrational Reefer Madness conservative fearmongering.

So what? If anything, more potent weed is less harmful because you are putting a smaller amount of burned plant material into your lungs to get the same effect.

It's not like people just... consume one marijuana and however high that gets you, that's what you're going with today. No, you're going to continue smoking until you get sufficiently stoned and then stop and put it out.

It doesn't take long for anyone to figure out how high is too high and how much it takes to get there, and plan accordingly.

It might be a vape pen with 92% THC hash oil in it so you take a couple of sippy little puffs and get mildly buzzed and you're fine with that. Or conversely you can pack up a handful of that leafy brown prohibition-era crap and do gravity bongs until you cough your lungs out, and get a lot higher, because that was your goal.

They sell those oil-soaked kif-encrusted joints here. You do not want to finish one in one sitting. The point of these isn't to get insanely baked, it's that one good hit will do it and you can put it out and save it in the glass jar it came in.

As others have explained already- if you have the kind of brain prone to psychosis, weed is likely to push you over the edge- and that's likely to happen when you're a teenager, because lots of people try it at that age- but something else would have triggered it a few years later. And yes it's just universally worse for adolescent brains. It is already illegal, everywhere it's legal, for people under 21, which is reasonable. But parents need to parent.

The idea that we can and should protect the kids who are predisposed to go schizo by keeping the available cannabis weak enough that no one can smoke enough of it to ever get really high is just absurd when you phrase it that way but that's exactly what anyone pushing this "It's so much more potent now!" pearl-cluching FUD is trying to sell you.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

If anything, more potent weed is less harmful because you are putting a smaller amount of burned plant material into your lungs to get the same effect.

Yes. The actual issue is the THC/CBD ratio, CBD being antipsychotic as well as blocking the metabolisation of THC into more psychoactive variants.

Add to that criminalisation and the desire of dealers to impress clueless customers with head highs and you get selective breeding for high-THC strains. I'd say the main reason I stopped back in the days was because there was essentially nothing but white willow on the market, ~20% THC ~1% CBD. And that's not even the worst of the strains.

Hopefully legalisation cuts back on that BS, with every satchel coming with test results showing people how off-kilter or balanced the weed is. There's certainly no shortage of CBD-heavy seeds available, the market is obviously there.

[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

Lmfao, what if we started smoking the green because of low grade psychosis? Chicken or egg that.

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

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[–] perestroika@lemm.ee 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

As a someone who studied biology: at an early age, you don't want more neuroplasticity. You already have enough. More may do you harm, and cannabis gives more, so cannabis may do you harm.

When you're 70 and your neural networks are set in stone, do consider what could safely increase neuroplasticity. But whatever you consume, don't consume it by inhaling smoke. :)

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 166 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (14 children)

I worked inpatient psych for a long time, and can tell you first-hand the link between psychosis and cannabis is real. No, this does not mean "if you smoke weed you're going to get psychotic!" What it does mean is that if you're someone with a genetic predisposition for schizophrenia (e.g. you have a known family history) weed is a potential trigger for a psychotic episode. If someone has already developed schizophrenia, smoking weed can make their symptoms worse and more difficult to manage with medications.

80% of people coming through the psych hospital, whatever, I don't care if you smoke weed. Honestly, I wish people would smoke weed rather than use meth, K2, or a bunch of other drugs that fuck people up. But for that subset of people prone to psychotic episodes, the conversation centers around "some people can smoke weed and be fine, and you are not one of those people."

The most common ages for men to develop first episode psychosis are 18-25, and while it's dumb that this article focuses on teenagers, the risk in that age group is genuinely higher. This article really is dumb overall and does not explain any of this well

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 23 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The article, most of all, misses that it's about CBD to THC ratio, not raw overall cannabinoid content. CBD is an antipsychotic and on the cusp of getting the stamp of approval for treating schizophrenia. Strains on the street, in the meantime, have been bred for THC at the expense of CBD because it's THC which gives a head-high, makes consumers believe they got strong stuff.

The deeper question, overall, is why we live in a society which prompts people to take anxiolytics to cope.

[–] Hazor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I also work inpatient psych, doing admission evaluations. Anecdotally, it seems like my patients who report using synthetics and distillates get the worst psychotic symptoms while under the influence. I'm guessing the delta-8 edibles and vaporizers they're buying legally from local shops probably contain no CBD at all.

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[–] MelonYellow@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Hey I work in inpatient psych too and want to back you up. It’s totally a known observation that patients have been coming in younger and younger. And it’s very common to see a history of drug use of some kind (yeah usually for kids it’s weed, if not polysubstance).

Sad to see because once they start coming back to the hospital a few times, it’s like they’re in the system so to speak. Too many kids don’t break out of that cycle. I always discharge kids like, “I hope to never see you again. Don’t come back here” lol.

[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I switched from drinking too much alcohol too often (wine, beer, etc) to occasionally dry vaping weed about 8 years ago. And from my mental and physical perspective it was a extreme shift to the better.

So I would even include alcohol in your list.

And I wouldn't let my kids use weed as long as long as I am capable to control that aspect.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Alcohol can make you feel like shit and can do great damage if used too often, but meth and K2 can fuck someone's brain up after even one use due to lack of quality control

[–] Djehngo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Just to add to your (excellent) comment; in the UK you can be prescribed medical marijuana but it has to be done by a consultant level doctor and a multi disciplinary trial. The most important disqualifying factor is any history of psychosis, if they see that on your medical records they will not write you a prescription.

So I would a assume there is some published medical literature they are following which states cannabis exacerbates the symptoms of psychosis.

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[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 127 points 3 days ago (15 children)

This article blows. “Genetically modifying” cannabis for higher THC content? You mean breeding, like every other plant grown for consumption?

[–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 20 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Listen, I tell my countrymen all the time: we want to legalize, but only "low grade* to "mid grade". I.e not high grade. We're kind of strict though, almost dry state. Why?

Skunk and the likes have been bred to maximize THC content at the cost of the CBD content. The problem there being that THC is psychoactive and in strong amounts can even be sort of psychedelic, whereas CBD is an antipsychotic that counteracts the negative effecta THC has.

The bigger nut though - and this is the frustrating part - THC can never actually cause psychosis, but can bring out latent psychotic tendencies or be part and parcel of bringing onset psychosis - but a drunken stooper or even an intense run could do that too.

When it comes to high grade tho: do not fuck around with it. If you've never tried cannabis, make sure you don't get a skunk type strain or anything that is deemed "heavy". It's not necessary anyway, it's just a stupid trend between bros to try to out stone or out high each other. "Ooo, I'm the most high! ha ha ha ha"

It's been an arms race between breeder for decades now regarding maximizing THC content, but let me just say gtfo here with that noise. Give me a working man's spliff any day, thank you very much. We're supposed to function as well.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 34 points 2 days ago (17 children)

That’s fine to have your own opinion but don’t restrict my rights to grow the stickiest of the icky. Sometimes I want to roast a fat joint and be functional. Sometimes I just want to sleep without toking for a half hour. One hit shit absolutely has its place, and with accurate labeling, you can be the judge.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a daily smoker I agree. Strong stuff is really fucking bad cause people have no temperance due to hit delay and almost always over do it.

The key to recreational cannabis, like any drug, is temperance and small doses make it so much harder to fail here.

Also the effects of extreme concentrations imo are borderline heroin-like as it's just escapism rather than enhancer. I really dont get dabbing and other high concentration cannabis use - that goes against everything weed is all about.

[–] thorhop@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's really bad if the wrong person gets a hold of it too. Suddenly latent psychosis gets triggered - which could have been healed by itself over the years, but instead destroys a life that then will become a burden to their family and the welfare system. It's also what could lead us right back to criminalization.

Most of the irresponsible stoners in this thread don't get that, because that care only about themselves, but as a civilized society we can't just let that stuff run rampant.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I used to be very libertarian with drugs but some people just suck and our society in no way ready to support and educate everyone just yet.

Its a really hard position to take as there's no clear path here unless we spend billions on drug education and support which no one's going to do unfortunately.

I think the next best thing we can do is regulate distribution, decriminalize possession and push education. This includes educating people how powerful and controlling high thc substance can be and taking articles like this seriously like any real psychonaut would.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I strongly disagree with that view. The stronger the strain, the less you have to smoke or vape to get a desired effect. Smoking, in particular, has well-documented side effects, including COPD.

Your beliefs about the psychopharmacology of THC and CBD are simplistic. The actual mechanisms (and number of different cannabinoids involved) are far more complex.

Go ahead and choose the strength that suits you, but don't presume that gives you the right to impose that choice on others.

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 79 points 3 days ago (2 children)

he had had persistent delusions for more than six months. Sam was fully convinced that the government was following him and constantly surveilling him

That's not a delusion tho.

[–] Zippygutterslug@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The government probably is surveilling them.

https://dnyuz.com/2025/04/30/this-is-what-we-were-always-scared-of-doge-is-building-a-surveillance-state/

Also, anecdotes are not evidence unless you've got a brain worm.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You know, I'm not really interested in a long anecdote about Sam and his father. It doesn't add any real information.
I had hoped to read about the actual evidence.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The war on drugs has made research into cannabis difficult and compared to alcohol and tobacco, we are practically blind. Legalization has changed this and we should pay attention.

The only thing to match the propaganda of the drug war is the CBD cure-all craze. I think that it's wise to do some basic research so that one day we can have an informed opinion rather than a knee jerk reaction.

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