This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YTPB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
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Title says it all. In combination with the recent post about somebody getting banned from the same comm, there's a trend starting to emerge.
Edit: Sad but unsurprising that this immediately got downvoted by a German user
Edit 2: Looks like this was just one of many such posts that got locked without any reason given. Notice a pattern in the topics locked?
If anything, documenting the issue is the best thing we can do. Since fedi mostly immutable, so the records will stay up for eternity. Such this aint reddit where speech can be easily suppressed, censored and then mopped like discussion never happened.
The sanitation they did on luigi... holly molly. A lot of good discussion just gone, never happened.
Many other topics and prolly even more shit I did not even notice. Really does make you wonder if all he shit presented to us actually went down as it is being told today.
The feddit.org admins are planning to make an official announcement on how they see the situation and there was an internal discussion about this where it was agreed to wait for that official announcement. This is the main reason these topics were closed.
When is the announcement planned for? It's been a couple days since the topics were locked. Without any further word on it this is no different than standard censorship.
It's been posted a few hours ago: https://feddit.org/post/12529640.
Maybe it deserves its own post, since they've been a topic here a lot lately, idk.
I went ahead and made one.
The feddit.org admins are planning to make an official announcement on how they see the situation
I suggest that any "announcement" should be made here as their overeager mod managed to ban number of users defending Palestinians and therefore made any discussion over there not possible.
Willing to bet if their priorities are where I think they are, they won't do that. Why would they want to facilitate easy discussion of or against their Zionist policies? No if we want that here someone will have to crosspost it most likely.
I really hope they have a good explanation for this kind of censorship..
Fuck off, I am own this server is the best case scenario since it would at least be honest.
I am curious about the contents for the announcement.
German law requires us to supress any criticism of the genocide perpetrated by isralies BC we only killed the Jews during ww2
It seems they won't do it at all. Bunch of cowards.
Because the law reason has nothing to stand on, same as lemmy.world and luigi.
They know this and there is nothing else they can rely to justify it. So they are just gonna ignore and save face.
But the issue has been properly documented. It will resurface again unless y'all think Israelis are gonna stop genocide.
I am more curious about the framing and general tone.
Touché
PTB
The feddit admins have always rubbed me the wrong way, they very subtlety support authoritarianism, I've had some comments removed in feddit for arguing with .ml users about china there, but the .ml users never had their comments removed.
Why would an instance hosted in Austria have a comm declare that they follow German law... for a Europe-centric subreddit? Either way, posting news about the genocide of Palestinians is hardly denying the existence of Israel.
You folks should see all the comments in the butt-hurt Ich Im echten Leben thread on the previous PTB post. The amount of excuses being made there for being called out as pro-genocide is Wahnsinn.
Naja. Deutsche sind ja Deutsche wieder. See you soon on the next ich_iel thread about this post.
Shame I don't speak German. Voyager doesn't support translation I think...?
This just reinforces my previous assertion that the mods of !europe@feddit.org, or at the very least some of them have a serious Zionism problem. Actually considering the amount of Zionist apologists in the other thread I would wager that Feddit.org has a serious Zionist problem.
I mean just read rule 4 of that comm. It says "don't question the statehood of Israel" in the rule banning hate speech, ostensibly to comply with German law. Germany has no such law (yet). They're at the very least running defense for Zionists. I got warned by the mods to delete or edit parts of my side of an argument where I argued for a one-state solution over there the other day.
According the the German Law they uphold, any mention of the reality that Israel is Settler Colonialist, an Apartheid, acknowledging that Israel is comitting genocide, any criticism of Zionism, and any Palestinian emancipatory slogans are all considered antisemitic.
Meaning according to German Law: BT'Selem, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the International Court of Justice, the United Nations, Euro-Med Monitor, Save the Children, Jewish Voice for Peace, Jewish Voice for Labor, Ilan Pappe, Avi Schlaim, Norman Finkelstein, and historical figures such as Albert Einstein and Hannah Ardent are all antisemitic for their (correct) views on Israel and Zionism.
Depending on how devout the mods and admins of that comm are, all of the above are considered antisemitic based on rule 4 and warrant comment/post removals if not outright bans.
Controversially, the German government officially classifies the following as antisemitic: the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement, the accusation that Israel is committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, and the depiction of Israel as a colonial or settler-colonial entity. Many of those arrested and cancelled in Germany over allegations of antisemitism have been Jews critical of Israel's policies.[4]
According to Australian historian A. Dirk Moses, German anti-antisemitism has involved the infusion of new tropes into German public discourse, with a focus on "post-colonial antisemitism", "Israel-related antisemitism" and "hatred of Israel", creating a link between antisemitism—hatred of Jews—and anti-Zionism. It is used to imply that solidarity with Palestinians, which is particularly widespread in the global south, is due to hatred of Jews rather than the expression of a legitimate political view of the Israeli occupation of Palestine, the aim of this being to prevent postcolonial academics as well as the German art and museum scenes from fostering the spread of such views
Habermas defines anti-Semitism as a set of “sentiments and convictions” that, while normally “cultivated” (?) in the privacy of people's living rooms, may come to the fore, in the form of condemnations of the Israeli mass killings in Gaza suggesting that such killings might turn into, or might in fact already constitute, genocide.
According the the German Law they uphold, any mention of the reality that Israel is Settler Colonialist, an Apartheid, acknowledging that Israel is comitting genocide, any criticism of Zionism, and any Palestinian emancipatory slogans are all considered antisemitic.
I mean yeah, but being an "antisemite" isn't illegal in Germany, and neither is hosting antisemitic content. Hate speech is one thing, but even Germany isn't that far gone (yet, anyway), so the mods are banning "questioning the statehood of Israel" on their own pejorative, not to avoid legal consequences.
They need a fig leave to cover their blanket pro genocide attitudes...
That's pretty blatant ptb
You clearly don’t understand. Opposing the genocide means you support the Palestinians committing their own genocide on the Zionists!
Instead of, ya know, giving the Palestinians dignity and emancipation, hoping for a future where they can live side by side or at least in their own sovereign states.
Did they even pretend that there was a reason?
No, and I updated the main post with more examples
This does not look good.
Can someone with a moral compass make another europe channel for people who actually respect human rights?
I'd do it but I'm not super interested in modding such a large community and I'm not sure if @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com would want such a big general community here. I'd create it if he's okay with it and if people would be willing to step up to replace me.
Pretty sure dbzer0 would be one of the best places for a communuty like this, provided it is well moderated.
You're right. I think I'll create one. But like I said I'm not willing to moderate such a big community by myself so others will have to take over.
Edit: I just created !europe@lemmy.dbzer0.com once it has enough mods I'll transfer it to someone and open it to all posting.
Thank you, subscribed.
There’s !europe@europe.pub
Looks like Mystic created one that explicitly does not allow Zionism. I subbed, hopefully it'll gain traction once it's got enough mods
Their instance has the same Zionist policies as Feddit.org though.
Can you provide an example?
Content illegal under Austrian, German, or EU laws (e.g., child exploitation, incitement to hate, or terrorism advocacy) will not be tolerated.
To me that seems like they'd cater to Germany's legally codified definition of "antisemitism" AKA anti-Zionism. Maybe they won't do that but I don't trust them.
I wouldn’t fault for that unless there is direct evidence of them removing criticism of zionism.
I think it's something to be careful of though since mods and admins may yield to it out of fear or lack of knowledge and start going after criticism of Zionism thinking that it will be seen as antisemitism.
When I look at their sidebar and unless there is some additional missing context on ban evasions or or the news sources of the topics against the rules (e.g. Al Jazeera on Israel) none of these things are against the rules.
The one I see that is in the same topic area is "we follow german law; do not question the statehood of Israel". I added my own emphasism.
My interpretation is you cannot advocate for the eradication or dismantling of the state. But then this is over moderation on any topic on Israel from any source to probably prevent any discussion and then no moderation of the comments are needed. I wonder if my being an anarchist is a ban-able offense!
This smacks of PTB.
Oddly, feddit.org is not located in Germany. It's hosted in Austria.
What the fuck is going on with !Europe@feddit.org ???
I just checked and I appear banned there too although I am not sure if it is related to the same idiot(s) banning users for supporting Palestinians.
Seems like they've been banning people who don't cater to or go along with their Zionist apologia. They've also been locking and removing many such posts in support of Palestine, or critical of Israel.
I got banned there for calling out german regime being Nazi nepo babies.
Too much censorship.. Just block it.
The originazi supporting neonazis.
Apologies, off topic, I love your username