That's not cleaning, it's polluting less
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My thoughts exactly. The title is almost comically misleading. But I was impressed when I saw that they dedicated an entire section of their article to actually explain that shifting to other modes of transport is several times more effective than fleet electrification.
that's every human endeavor
Cleaning up pollution is a human endeavor and it reduces pollution.
Humans pollute, pollution needs reducing, ergo we reduce humans. Seems logical to me.
Isn't there often increased tire wear particles, though? EDIT: Haha, I guess they mention that although that's somewhat true it's not as bad as brake dust.
i think that comes from being heavier but I'm not 100% sure.
Which is something that can be fixed by simply making smaller vehicles
What do you mean? I need my 5 ton off-road monster truck to get the kids to school and pick up some groceries!
Yeah, but you also do that one camping trip where you have to drive on a gravel road for like 400 meters (over 1000 foot, can you imagine!?) once every 3 years, so that makes it totally ok buy a literal tank on wheels.
People wildly underestimate how good modern cars car be. While driving across country in my gfs accord we ended up on a gravel mountain road for several miles. It was so much damn fun, but she was anxious the whole time saying how it wasn't designed for it.
It was a wide, maintained road. We could easily go 35 to 40 mph. It would have for 4 or 5 cars side by side and the whole time we were on it we saw only like 6.
Cars not designed for roads geez. Tell her all it matters is rock chips.
"But isn't that, like, communism?"
- the USA, probably
Blasphemy
Plug-in hybrids are ideal. They get the cleanliness and efficiency of regen breaking, the efficiency of an electric motor, with the much smaller footprint of a battery 15% the weight of an ev battery. They effectively suppress range anxiety while still heavily incentivizing electricity use instead of gasoline. And when they do run on gasoline in exceptional circumstances, they are running more efficiently than conventional gas cars.
Except the circumstances in which they run on gasoline are not that exceptional: https://theicct.org/publication/real-world-phev-use-jun22/ And the lower weight of the battery is partially offset by needing an additional drive train, a transmission with multiple gears (purely electric cars usually have fixed transmission) and other smaller parts required for the combustion engine. These also increase the required maintenance a lot (e.g. requiring oil changes).
It just fully depends on the driver. A PHEV which the driver does not recharge is just a heavier HEV.
But if you have less than 70km to drive every day and have a home charger, there's barely ever any reason to use gas.
The issue is that many PHEV owners only get one because it allows them to get around regulations for driving in city centers, so they just use the cars as gasoline powered cars.
tires might need rethought though
Okay hereβs my business idea: Tires but metal! Those metal wheels then drive on metal bars to transport groups of pods. Think of a network of rails that passengers can use to easily travel from one place to another. Itβs a closed system that barely interrupts other types of traffic and can even drastically reduce conjunctions by being very space efficient. All electric and much safer than cars too! Did I mention they can go much faster than cars on longer routes? You can even enjoy entertainment or get some work done while you travel!
I'm not sure if you're referring to trains/trams or genuinely suggesting that there could be a rail-based system for individual traffic (i.e., people use individual pods without restrictions on start/stop location or time). The latter seems genuinely utopian to me if it can be made to work.
Itβs trains. Iβm talking about an electrified rail network that we absolutely need to make the switch to a mostly green economy. I donβt think we can ever do it if we keep clinging to car infrastructure.
Yup, they already are the most common reason for micro plastics everywhere, so they need to be rethought as it is.
Something like 9/10 of the tire dust and also wear on roads are from trucks.
Personal transport is much less. It's not negligible, but the difference between fossil or electric fueled is basically just a talking points. The weight is the cause of increasing tire dust, and modern cars are all heavier than before regardless of fuel.
This is something I noticed too. Some years ago, one of the futuristic aspects of EVs was how silent they were. Meanwhile, where I live, the newest fad seems to be to buy enormous E-SUVs, and I've noticed that I can't tell much of a difference between the conventional and electric versions of these cars in terms of noise (for small cars, the difference is substantial).
Huh, and I thought electrics produced more total tire wear due to the higher weight.
https://motorandwheels.com/electric-cars-go-through-tires-faster/
apparently, the instant torque too...
How much more do they weight?
About that instant torque, you have got to see how some people drive their (ICE) cars.
Yeah, not by much actually, just 10 to 15%
e.g. https://thedriven.io/2024/05/03/are-evs-really-much-heavier-than-their-ice-equivalents/
People generally don't launch their Tesla (or whatever) every time they take off from a red light. Only a small minority does it occasionally, other times they'll just choose a more comfortable way to speed up.
EVs generally incentivise drivers to take it easy to maximise range.
So good rarely having to use the brakes with my nussan leaf.