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[–] db2@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Japan

The same place that had used panties in vending machines and this is somehow shocking.

[–] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (3 children)

There's still a difference between a piece of clothing that may or may not have been worn by anonymous women and creations using real people without their knowledge or consent. Not trying to defend those vending machines but these aren't the same in terms of results and potential effects on the victims.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think this is more a comment on the particular strain of misogyny that pervades Japanese society and not being surprised that a country which has women only metro carriages out of necessity to prevent sexual harassment is also having a problem with AI generated deep fakes. Though the latter is also a problem in many other countries which have access to these image models.

[–] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

That's a fair point but, as you already mentioned, deepfakes are a pretty universal problem unfortunately. The type of misogyny in Japan compared to say US or Europe doesn't seem to affect that much (if at all). Either way, it's a terrible practice without sufficient ways to combat it at the moment which makes me pretty worried about how things will evolve in the future - in terms of "content", affecting lives of victims and laws that will come out of this (some probably made in the worst possible knee-jerk reactionary ways).

[–] toastmeister@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Photoshops were a thing before AI. Nobody cares because its just a weird thing creepy do in private.

[–] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Photoshop requires at least some skill and doesn't allow for mass production of fakes the way generative AI does. Same problem, different scale.

[–] Goretantath@lemm.ee -1 points 1 week ago

Pasting a face over a body in photoshop is just as easy as snapping a polaroid of someone and pasting their face on a porn mag. AI just makes it faster.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I tend to lean more towards the problem being distribution rather than creation, so I'm curious about your opinion on this: Is there a difference between me imaging a sexual act with someone without their consent vs writing/drawing/deepfaking it?

[–] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In my opinion absolutely. Whatever happens in your head stays in your head and doesn't affect the other person unless you take active steps for that to happen. Images or videos on the other hand can not only be distributed far easier, even accidentally, but also have a way higher chance of affecting people's lives (how can you disprove you didn't take nude photos of yourself for example? let alone make people believe it). They can lead to loss of reputation, harassment, bullying and serious mental issues for the victims (trust issues, anxiety, depression, self-harm) - imagination can't really do that on its own.

Perhaps distribution is the real problem but easy access to tools that can create convincing results quickly and without effort makes said distribution way more probable.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thanks for sharing your perspective. It sounds like it's the potential for harm/damage rather than the act itself that makes it an issue for you?

[–] Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I still think the act itself is pretty gross but yeah, the harm is the important part for me - and I don't mean that just in case of sexual images. It's also a problem in terms of content created to affect people's reputation in other ways or influence the sociopolitical situation (something that's already happening around the world).

The harmful potential of generative AI is on a completely different scale than photoshopped images already mentioned in this thread by others. That doesn't mean genAI can't be used in fun and interesting ways but stuff like what's described in the linked article is a big no no for me.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Hopefully they're at least mature looking women.

[–] Varying9125@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They could still be sarcastic.... Beware!

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

That's impossible because there is no tag. When you see a statement on the internet you need to automatically assume the poster truly believes it or else you open the door to the intolerant.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago (8 children)
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[–] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'd really love to believe the narrative that the widespread adoption of LLMs will lead to a renaissance of technological breakthroughs, but deep down I know that it's ultimately going to amplify and enable the absolute worst of what humanity has to offer.

[–] trungulox@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I got really into so a few years back, partly as a hobby, partly to help me learn to code, partly out of the belief that knowing this could be good for a career transition.

About six months in the realization hit me that this isn’t one of those job creating inventions. It’s a job destroying invention.

I still tinker around with so a lot and even at its current development I think it’s a really, really fucking cool tool if you’re running a model locally and have control over it, but i honestly believe it will kill capitalism, and that it’s going to be bloody, bloody fight.

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

enable the absolute worst of what humanity has to offer.

can we call it a reality check? we think of humans as so great and important and unique for quite a while now while the world is spiraling downwards. maybe humans arent so great after all. like what is art? ppl vibe with slob music but birds cant vote. how does that make sense? if one can watch AI slob (and we all will with the constant improvements in ai) and like it, well maybe our taste of art is not any better than what a bird can do and like. i hope LLM will lead to a breakthrough in understanding what type of animal we really are.

[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 16 points 1 week ago

Fake celebrity nudes have been around since.... How old is Adobe photoshop now?

It's just going to be up to a level where it will go full circle and people won't actually believe true nudes are real because the default expectation is that they are all fake.

[–] fangorious@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could they maybe deepreal their way out of having to censor the hentai already?

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago

Yet, nobody is actually doing it! I mean doing anything about it like doing it. But I mean, it's happening so somebody must be doing it. I don't know man, I think for sure there has to be somebody doing it.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The deepfake concern is moot imo.

If there's fake porn of every celebrity in existence then no one photo can be trusted as real, no one different or more put upon than anyone else, all in the same boat.

sees a naked photo of a celeb or hear them say something so offbase that it can't be true

meh, probably fake...

forever.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ngl, I've been tempted to find one of those things and use it on a picture of myself just to see how accurate they get.

But it would have to be totally offline, and even then I wouldn't actually do it

[–] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't worry buddy, send me a picture and I can do it for you, free of charge!

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, how about a cock pic? settle for a pic of my cock?

[–] vane@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The pick AI deepfake would be ai tor website where anyone can upload two photos and watch first being fucked by second.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Thanks for sharing your perspective. It sounds like your main issue is the potential damage that could be caused and not the act itself?

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The resolution on those is so poor that I can't imagine these becoming popular unless they figure out how to get them much less pixelated.

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

And most of the porn is pixelated anyway? At this point I’d assume anything pixelated is Pavlovian and arousing to most Japanese.

[–] YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

Box blur just hits different if you are Japanese

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

So that's the trick!... I just need bigger pixels!

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I unironically had that