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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

No, no they are not.

Bad ones? Yeah, just like that.

[–] gamer@lemm.ee 4 points 8 hours ago

Sublime Text + sometimes LSP is all you need. It might be difficult for people who don't know how to use a build system directly, but those people are underachievers anyways.

[–] irmoz@reddthat.com 10 points 15 hours ago

I just use Kate

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

I use Jetbrains IDEs now for 5 years, I've used VSCode, Sublime, Atom, Vim, Neovim but I feel like Jetbrains IDEs are just better if you have the RAM to run it.

  1. It's a setting.
  2. Doesn't happen
  3. Doesn't happen
  4. Searchable actions, just search for "encoding" in this case.
  5. That's an LSP/project mismatch usually just a setting. Most things are supported but worst case you can remove the error.
  6. Happens if you run out of RAM or open a very large file.

So it's not all bad, but comes with a lot of good such as "invert if statement", "use template strings" and "extract method" thingies along with a load of plugins.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Agree. I used a ton of different IDEs too and I can say Rider was the least terrible one I've used professionally (mostly on Unreal Engine projects, so having the thing not kill itself when trying to compute large, complex codebases for syntax highlighting/autocomplete was a requirement).

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 hours ago

I'm so spoiled by searchable settings that it feels like I'm back in the 50s if I actually have to manually click around menus looking for a setting.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)
  1. can also sometimes happen when your workplaces corporate antivirus you can't uninstall, pause, or change any settings on decides to scan your project files while a build is in progress 🤦🤦🤦
[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Oh, you get the benefit of explicit scanning?

We get the beauty of every file that's modified being scanned before the write "completes". It's an absolute joy starting a build and watching ~80% of the available compute be consumed by antivirus software.

Or, you know, normal filesystem caching as part of your tool's workflow.

Or dependency installing and unpacking....

Or anything actually that touches a lot of files.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 1 points 28 minutes ago

Yeah was experiencing that for awhile, a couple of workarounds:

  • run the IDE inside a VM
  • Use windows "dev drive" and got the admins to exclude it from active scanning, but it seems like that setting has been lost recently 😕
[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Number 3 happens all the time to me when using VSCode with Copilot as autocomplete. Copilot sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. Also happens a lot when using Pycharm with Python. Sometimes it's great at autocompleting, sometimes it completely gets lost and has no idea what my Python script is doing.

Number 5 also happens a lot on VSCode + Platformio. It also frequently happens on Intellij IDEA for me, but mostly when I am concurrently running build or test while writing. My crappy work laptop suffers from Windows 11 related performance issues, and when there's not enough performance available, underlines do get wonky quite frequently.

[–] BehindTheBarrier@programming.dev 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

None of those issues for my main IDE, though Rider on some occasions do get stuck marking some spelling errors after they are fixed.

It has stuttered a few times, but pretty rare. But it does have a bug where it think it is building a project, but isn't. And requires a restart to fix... Easy to trigger if you try building a project while it's loading the project...

Visual Stuido with Resharper is the one where things would randomly stop working though. Especially hotkeys would sometimes stop working until I restarted it. Slow and stutter too.

[–] yogsototh@programming.dev 14 points 1 day ago
[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 18 hours ago

Neovim >>> any ide

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 18 hours ago

The IDEs of March

[–] firelizzard@programming.dev 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

VSCode is the first development environment I’ve used that doesn’t make me feel like this. It’s not perfect but the base application is rock solid and the full DE experience is the more reliable than any other DE I’ve used.

P.S. I specifically said DE for those people who say VSCode isn’t an IDE. Personally I don’t see the point in differentiating.

P.P.S. Sublime is not a DE in my opinion. It’s an excellent text editor with syntax highlighting. The plugins were an afterthought and it was never intended to provide the full experience. Granted I haven’t used it in years.

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

VSCode is by far and away the best thing Microsoft has ever done. (I'm sure therefore they will ruin it eventually, but that's a separate issue)

Its good for two main reasons IMO:

  1. It is plugin-based

  2. It is (therefore) language-agnostic

Plugins mean the DE starts as a very lightweight thing that is basically nothing more than a text editor. You can then add as much or as little as you want to get the level of features you are comfortable with but without being too bloated.

And then, because it's all plugins, you can work with any language and still stay within the same editor. Divine.

I personally love how lightweight it is compared to a full IDE because I don't like it when IDEs hide the magic behind UI. Press the button and it compiles huh? But how? What's going on there? What toolchain and commands are being executed?

I much prefer a good MAKEFILE where you know what your entry points are and what is going on, because it makes everything so much more portable and also improves your own knowledge and understanding.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Yeah it's great because even without a make plugin, you can just add your make command to the vscode actions that'll run your makefile.

Or even better, get the plugin which will auto populate targets from the makefile lol

[–] ___f____g___@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The IDE is the worst part of being an iOS developer.

[–] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 hours ago

I legit swore off the entire OS when one of my teachers forced us to use macOS + X code to write Objective C code

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, and the worst part is that XCode is only available on OSX.

I once had to make an iOS app once and didn't have a Mac so I developed the entire thing in a VM. There was no video encoding, the FPS was in the low single digits, which made it very difficult to even type. So I ended up writing the code using VSCode through SSH through Wireguard connected to the VM on the host machine, which actually worked surprisingly well. But hey, the app did work in the end.

[–] diffusive@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Wait how can you run Mac OS on a VM?!?

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I used QEMU but I don't think it's possible anymore. I had to use an older version of OSX (I think I tried 3-4) but that version is no longer supported by XCode.

[–] leds 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also using 10GB memory ...

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago

Hah, per window.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Before I started reading the meme I actually thought "just use Notepad++".

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I can't live without VIM keybinds. Maybe I'm a boomer. I do use it as a note taking or "collect my thoughts" app. Or just a place to paste shit when I'm working. Very useful for that. Though only when I'm forced to be on Windows.

[–] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Just use vim, it usually comes preinstalled

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago

vim fast, IDE slow, I use vim because I'm impatient

[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

For a few files, sure. Idk how I'd use that on the large corporate Java codebase that I usually work with though. Despite all its memory hogging and unnecessary features, IntelliJ also proves remarkably useful when trying to find anything in these mega projects. Features like ctrl + clicking on a method call to get to its definition (even when it is in a different project that I don't have checked out), the refactoring tools, the debugger, etc are absolutely necessary to get anything done.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

Maybe use tags for that but I've never personally messed with it.

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Unless you need to work on a solution with more than a few projects, such as Unity games. Then the LSPs go haywire and eat 20+Gb of memory, while not actually working.

Which, ofc, is Microsoft's fault, since it's their analyzer that has had the bug for years now. Rider didn't have that problem, but it shits itself when you change branches. You can't win :(

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

IIRC vi has been installed, or perhaps tinyvim, then I always go and install vim-gtk

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I've had everything on this list with Visual Studio alone, with the exception of #2 maybe.

  1. All the AI shit they're adding, plus the millions of windows you can pull up that are all hidden in different places. The only way this is remotely usable is with the search.

  2. This happens every other day when working with Blazor. As an added bonus, it can never decide on spacing and will constantly change it.

  3. Probably a symptom of using legacy code and modern code at the same time, but good god the settings for everything are in a million places.

  4. Another symptom of blazor.

  5. Our project is too big.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You should refer to Visual Studio by its full title: "Visual Studio (not responding)".

[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

I'd argue the benefits outweigh the downsides

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 12 points 1 day ago

Definitely #1. I've encountered #2 with a very specific IDE and #4 and #5 on occasion.

[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 day ago

It's almost enough to make me feel nostalgic for the DOS version of Borland Turbo Pascal, which wasn't bright enough to do any of this stuff. (Well, it could freeze up, I suppose, but the only time I actually managed to do anything like that, it involved a null pointer dereference that would have triggered a segfault on any modern system.)

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

XCode would randomly stop syntax highlighting for years because their engineering was so shit.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

In the JetBrains IDEs (which, relatively speaking, I like), I have to use "Invalidate caches and restart" several times a day just to get past all the incorrect error highlighting.

[–] mcv@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, is that the way to address that? I don't run into incorrect error highlighting often, and it's mostly great, but when it gets it wrong, it can be very stubborn about it.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 hours ago

It usually works, but it takes a few minutes to reprocess the files if your project or solution is big.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I mainly code Java with IntelliJ.

  • it doesn't AFAIK have an integrated browser or if it does I have never encountered it ❌
  • I have not seen it crash a lot and certainly not for the stated reason ❌
  • if autocomplete isn't working, that is a sign something about the build process isn't set up right, so other things won't work either ❔
  • basic settings being buried deep in the menus is definitely a thing ✅
  • if it underlines something, that has always been an error, I think it calls a real Java compiler for this ❌
  • freezing at critical moments can occasionally be a thing ✅
[–] tauren@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

basic settings being buried deep in the menus is definitely a thing ✅

Nah, there is:

  1. A special hotkey that allows you to find and execute virtually any command. Same in vscode with ctrl+shift+p.
  2. Text-based search in the settings dialog.

So even though things are buried somewhere deep, it's easy to find them.

freezing at critical moments can occasionally be a thing ✅

Sounds like a ~~skill~~ hardware issue tbh.

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