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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Any American who picks up arms to support a fascist dictator against the constitution and its people deserves nothing less than to be tried for treason

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fucking Biden. The Supreme Court put a gun in his hand. If he'd used it and sent Seal Team 6 to Mar-a-Lago we wouldn't be having these problems.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

OR, hey OR we could have shown up and voted for Harris. That also would have prevented a demented rapist felon from causing these problems.

But y’know. She loves genocide or some russian troll shit.

[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

BuT sHe WaS nOt My PeRfEcT cAnDiDaTe!!!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I know, man. I know.

And that’s why all this insanity had to happen.

Par for the course- Republicans do something awful and someone comes and blames Democrats.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world -4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The numbers don't support that story. The people who didn't vote were moderates who didn't feel a need to since they didn't see the status quo changing significantly either way.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then they're fucking idiots.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world -3 points 2 days ago

Shitlibs gonna shitlib. This is nothing new.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't really understand. Your statement seems to be the same as the one you're responding to.

The status quo has changed dramatically, because a bunch of voters were too apathetic to vote for Harris.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My assertation is that it wasn't the progressives that failed to vote for Harris because of some failed purity test. It was moderates who were too I'll informed to realize trumplethinskin was going to change the status quo, so they didn't vote out of apathy.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You're suggesting there's proof that Harris was too moderate to distinguish herself from trump in many voters' eyes.

And I'm saying so-called progressives - with many representatives holding forth here at the time and still to this day - were saying they absolutely refuse to vote for Harris because she wasn't progressive enough.

I'm just not buying the former argument. I know moderates and none of them were confused by how bad trump was. trumps campaign was every bit as chaotic and bonkers as his administration proved to be. It just doesn't wash that people were fooled into thinking a SECOND trump administration would be the same as a Democratic one.

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well I'm glad you know who to blame with your anecdata. That's the important part having decided it's the others fault and going all I'm on blaming them, rather than looking at the actual numbers and trying to come up with a solution. The numbers do say differently though, but by all means continue to go through your life basing your ideas on anecdotes you've gleaned from online and personal interactions.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democratic-nonvoters-policy-preferences/

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Ah yes the critical hit of someone writing a number down on a piece of paper. Let's go to the tape:

But wait, does all this mean that nonvoting Democrats stayed home in 2024 because Democrats’ policies were too progressive? Not necessarily; while the CES data gives us the ability to judge issue preferences, we can’t use it to determine issue salience. That is, we don’t know which issues were most important to voters nor even if candidates’ issue positions were important factors in nonvoters’ decision to sit out the election.

That seems less sure than you're making it out to be. I wonder what the next sentence is.

We should also be careful not to extrapolate too much about the implications of these results for whether Democrats should or should not have moderated their policy positions in different areas, since nonvoting Democrats overwhelmingly supported a range of views typically associated with progressives—such as support for banning assault rifles, believing that skin color gives whites an advantage, support for Medicaid expansion and infrastructure spending, and support for corporate tax hikes.

Wow! that was a doozy of a sentence wasn't it. It sure was. But no, by all means continue to believe that poll results are more true than people's own words and the life experience of anyone. That is the quantitative mindset and many many enormous things have been built using it.

For funsies - let's see who participated in this poll you linked to here:

A large portion of the CES respondents are YouGov panelists. These are people who have made an account on yougov.com to receive periodic notifications about new surveys. Others are recruited live from online advertisements or are recruited from another survey provider. Therefore, while panelists are prompted to participate in the CES, they opt-in to being a YouGov panelist.

Yeah. You know a lot of progressives that sign up to receive political survey notifications do you? Well, if you did it would be irrelevant because a poll says different. Somewhere. Actually, it's this very poll you cited. O Irony!

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

That would have blew up this country. Biden should have arrested him for January 6th day one in office, sure. Sentiment was against Trump then. Killing him with government forces would have made him a martyr to all the right’s deep state propaganda.

[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You’re right. It’s certainly not blown up now by letting a criminal run things.

[–] ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You underestimate American complacency. Ordering the military to purge all life at Mar-A-Lago would cause a week of uproar, and then no one would care about it again.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The left are complacent and forget, the right invent grievances and hold on to them forever—just look at how much they still talk about Obama.

[–] ckmnstr@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

From the halls of Montezuma to the front yards of LA...

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Posse Comitatus:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/posse-comitatus-act-explained

What does the Posse Comitatus Act say?

The Posse Comitatus Act consists of just one sentence: “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

In practice, this means that members of the military who are subject to the law may not participate in civilian law enforcement unless doing so is expressly authorized by a statute or the Constitution.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Army or Air Force

Why he’s using the marines ya big dum dum

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

They're also saying that the military is not being used to execute the laws, but rather to protect law enforcement officers