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I am moving home today and it is too late for proactive harm reduction like "get plenty of sleep in the days before the all nighter". I tried to look for advice online, but just found loads of articles telling me how harmful and unproductive it is to go without sleep. I get it, I'm fucked. I'm not in this situation by choice though, so now I just want to get through the day as well as I can. I have plenty of help, so I don't need to do much physical exertion, but I will need to direct people and organise the last packing stages. Fortunately I don't need to drive anywhere, but I do somehow need to survive this. By the end, I'll have been up for around 48 straight hours, and I was pretty tired even before then (so tired that my R regular ADHD meds barely woke me up)

So I was wondering if anyone had tips that helps them when they're exhausted beyond belief but still need to function. When you're in a situation where you know it's unhealthy to push through, but it's too late to change that, is there anything that you find lessens the blow of the combo exhaustion at the end of it all? Staying hydrated is already on my list, as is getting some rest if you can (because even if you don't sleep, some shut eye rest can be good); I'm getting an hourish rest after posting this question. I'm typically not someone who naps, because I wake up even groggier afterwards. I know I'm foolish for hoping for some neat trick or tip to make today magically tolerable, but I figured it was worth asking.

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[–] DeceasedPassenger@lemmy.world 8 points 7 hours ago

Set a timer for hydration. You will forget towards the end of it. All the things your body does automatically will become less effective. Like obviously your fuse will be shorter. But you'll feel more hungry with less warning, for instance. Satisfying that in a way that might normally make you a bit tired could be enough to make you crash out. But you need to keep eating or you'll feel like starved hell. Keep it light/snackish. Also try to avoid extra stimulation. If you need stimulation to stay awake keep it minimal as you can.

Additionally, recognize the point of damage. If you're finding yourself taking completely unintentional 'microsleeps' (passing out for 15-120 seconds) that's your brain screaming for mercy and you should take rest if it's even remotely possible, and results get truly unpredictable past that point in regards to emotional/mental stability.

Hope that helps, here to answer if you want clarification on anything there

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Regarding the nap thing: if you have the time, taking a strict 20 minute nap will help you get a bit of energy without feeling too groggy afterwards. You want enough time to just barely fall asleep and then get kicked awake before you fully passout.

[–] 5oap10116@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

I find that after waking up from said 20 min nap, it's good to yell "aaaarrrggggghhhhh fuck meeeeeee" and then move on with the day. Really stretches the lungs out.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Don't drink bottomless coffee. At a certain point it just makes you conk out

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 10 points 11 hours ago

I used to have to pull an all nighter 1-2 times per week for a terrible job I had. Typically 26-30 hours, so not quite the big one you're looking at.

If you're in a car for part of it, or otherwise idle, take some naps! A few 20 min naps will completely revitalize you for some time. Apart from that, light physical and mental stimulation goes a long way

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 15 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

From what I've heard (and it agrees with my anecdotal experience):

One of the things that takes the most strain when you skip sleep is your heart. Sleep is one of the times when your heart muscles get to rest a bit more, so it can struggle to pump blood when you don't rest

Along those lines, drinking plenty of water and staying hydrated can help make your blood consistency a little thinner and easier to pump.

I'd also consider trying to eat foods that aren't too high in fat, and don't have too high of a glycemic index. Lots of fat all at once can make you feel heavy and tired, exacerbating tiredness, and foods high in glycemic index that contain more simple sugars and less fiber will spike your blood sugar, resulting in a crash that I would also expect to exacerbate tiredness.

The last thing I'd add is to keep in mind that people are extremely bad at assessing how much their sleep deprivation is affecting them. Studies have shown that people are genuinely dogshit at it, and will consistently think they're performing about average while producing horrible results in cognitive tests. Remember that even if you feel like you're doing fine in terms of ability to think, objectively you aren't and are operating at a significantly diminished capacity, and you just can't tell.


Tldr, stay hydrated, eat foods without a ton of fat and that are lower glycemic index, and remember that your brain is really dumb when you don't sleep, even though it often won't feel like it

[–] Kemelvor@lemmy.world 16 points 13 hours ago

From someone who is used to similar situations, the main tip I can offer is to avoid remaining passive. Move often, shake yourself, scream even. Sitting down and focusing will make you asleep, unless you're really passionate about what you're doing.

[–] erytau@programming.dev 13 points 13 hours ago

I used to work night shifts and sometimes had to function afterwards, sometimes for long periods of time. What helped me to stay awake and somewhat clear-minded is light physical activity. Don't sit too much, move, walk around, do some squats, do push ups if you can. Get some fresh air. Cold water on the face helps. If your eyes tend to get tired get some eye drops (artificial tears). And of course coffee helps too.

Also be careful, it's easy to lose balance in a sleep deprived state. So no dangerous surroundings if you can help it.

[–] nebulaone@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I was going to say that unfortunately strong (often illegal or prescription only) stimulants are the only real answer to this, but as you mentioned, you've already tried your ADHD meds, which are either amphetamine or methylphenidate.

So there are only obvious things left, like cold showers and caffeine (400mg max/day), which can also be dangerous, because your heart is already stressed. I think naps (up to 3 hours) will only make things worse, because you are unlikely to be in REM and deep sleep for a significant time and heart strain will spike after waking up again.

Be careful and check your pulse and blood pressure, if you can. Pressing two fingers right below your wrist for pulse and feeling your heartbeat pounding in your neck indicates dangerous blood pressure if you can't accurately measure these.

And most importantly: As soon as you get dizzy, have chest pain, or in the worst case, feel tingling or numbness in your left arm and/or neck, you MUST stop, lay down in the recovery position and have someone check up on you or call an ambulance, as these symptoms can be early signs of a heart attack.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago

Drink a lot of water and eat enough food. I need roughly an extra meal’s worth of food if I stay up all night. Don’t eat it all at once though, because that can make you sleepy. Listen to pumpy music if you can, and if it becomes possible to nap, up to 45 minutes helps me, but between that and about 4 hours, it just gets worse.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 5 points 13 hours ago

Budget time for sleep. Period. It might take a bit of strength to commit to that based on whatever situation you are in, but it just takes practice.

I have been in situations where I was absolutely forced to be awake for about 5'ish days but nothing else in my life after that ever forced that requirement. All-nighters were always a decision I made willingly and they never really worked out well for productivity.

Still, I am a shitty sleeper and at this very moment, I only have time to finish this comment and get about 4 hours sleep in a strange hotel before I need to wake up for work. However, I am older now and less sleep seems to be the norm for my body.

Managing being exhausted is a personal thing. Aside from drinking more water or coffee, I don't think there are going to be many suggestions that will really help more than that.

[–] Horta@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 13 hours ago

Power naps? In the car (since you're not driving) or at any point you can get even 5-10 mins. Get a sleep mask and ear plugs if you need to. Try to sleep max 15 mins at a time, so you don't get that super groggy feeling. Set an alarm or timer. If you drink coffee or tea, supposedly if you drink it just before your nap it will metabolise while you nap and give you a boost when you wake up.

Go for a walks in between to energize yourself. You can also do a sort of walking meditation to try and reduce stress, just kind of look around at the colours, light, shade and movement, listen to the sounds around you (and the gaps between sounds), the feeling of your feet meeting the ground and lifting up again, etc. Try to just take it in as pure perception and if you start thinking, just return to the physical sensation you are focusing on. Even 10 mins will do.

Eat an apple or two for a healthier sugar rush.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

There are plenty of people who routinely go multiple days without sleeping. First responders, military, students. It's doable. It's not healthy long-term. But you can do it once or twice.

Stay active, avoid situations where you get bored or become calm. Use tremendous amount of stimulants. Zyn puches work, hot sauce, chew, energy drinks, coffee, lipping coffee grounds. If you have to wait for something, and you can't stay active, do some exercise, run a little bit, jumping jacks. Anything to keep the blood flowing.

Your attention and reaction time is going to be reduced, don't drive vehicles, don't do anything that put you in danger if you fall asleep.

Recognize once you stop moving you're going to sleep for a very long time. So get to a safe space and then crash

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

This is terrible advice.

Nobody goes "routinely" multiple days without sleeping. The only way military is doing that if necessary is methamphetamine, see German troops during WW2.

After 24-48 hours there will be an onset of psychosis, after 48 hours without sleep most people experience psychosis, especially in combination with drugs.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Saleh@feddit.org 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

30 hours aren't multiple days. Nonetheless it is completely reckless for this to occur in the first place, endangering both patients and staff.

Even then, taking some sleep during the breaks is preferable over going without any sleep.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

30 hours is two days, two is more then one and thus multiple. Plus that's just the expectation, even in that same article a doctor said their longest shift was 72 hours. What we want and reality often diverge. We have to acknowledge reality

I don't disagree it's bad, but it's real. People do it all the time. First responders often have a 24 hour shift, throw in contingencies and it's two days.

Soldiers on mission often don't get to sleep and if your the unlucky bastard to pull sentry duty, sucks to be you. Deal with it.

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

When I need to get through my own ADHD episodes when I'm struggling like this so I generally move to things like reading or writing or drawing. The idea that is to keep my brain moving on some sort of thought so that it can't fall asleep.

If you're focused on something you can't sleep at least in my experience ( I focused on things hard enough to end up keeping me awake when I was supposed to sleep )

Best of luck comrade. You got this