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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean, it is ideological, like saying "All men are equals" or "Eating healthy leads to a longer life". I wish people would just come out and say what they really mean. Are the same teachers striving for a classroom where not everyone is equal?

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

It’s the politicians who are striving for a classroom where not everyone is equal.

Although, teachers probably consider themselves more equal than their students.

[–] Shanedino@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So it's the next sign to hang up going to read "not everyone is welcome here? ".

[–] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Sorta reminds me of the "No Lives Matter" posters featuring Cthullu. What used to seem comically bad and absurd is now being passed into law.

[–] gurnu@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

Ban rightwingers from living & breathing. Only way to get a better world for people with compassion

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago

It is ideological...

That is what school is in part

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Next up: Changing that pesky "E Pluribus Unum."

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I wish they were wrong that it was a big political or ideological divide, but here we are.

[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 264 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I think it's really weird that inclusion is political.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

The part most of these stories leave out is that the signs are sold by the local democratic party. It would be interesting to see the outcome for a sign with the same message but without that baggage.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 112 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, duh. By saying "All are Welcome Here", we are excluding people who want to exclude people. And they are the ones in charge right now. So simply saying "everyone is welcome" is now subversive, against Presidential policy, and anti-American.

Your citizenship is hereby revoked, ICE will be here soon to ship you to ~~Gitmo~~ ~~CECOT~~ ~~South Sudan~~ Alligator Auschwitz

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

That actually isn't weird at all. People treat "politics" as an epithet for "controversial politics", but in reality, almost everything in society is political – relating to power structures, the distribution of status and resources, and how those factors are determined. What you're getting at, of course, is that Republicans have shifted the Overton window so disgustingly far to the right that "everyone is welcome" in a classroom is treated as a controversial ideology.

We're constantly conditioned to think of the status quo as apolitical in nature (it's just "normal" and the people who want to change it for better or worse are "the politicals"), but it is and always has been, and it's why we've needed so desperately these past several decades to remain politically engaged to protect what we want and to change what we don't. Now? Who knows, but we still need to try.

[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago

Great comment. Taking it further, making "politics" inherently negative has a lot of propaganda value to power. The people in charge generally want to defend the status quo, so they'd rather depoliticize the populace. This is why you get such strange contradictions as the people in charge constantly attacking "political elites" or "the swamp" or whatever. They're trying to discredit politics itself to consolidate their power. Similarly, when they do want to change something, they say "it's not politics; it's common sense." They want a population that feels like politics is something inherently dubious, or at least just not worth their time and effort.

Inclusion has always been and will always be a political project, because there are people who want power and who will use it to exclude people for whatever reason.

[–] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think you mean that it is weird that inclusion is controversial.

To me, inclusion is the foundation of politics. It is the uniting idea that people with no blood relation - strangers - can come together to build something that benefits all.

Trump and his gang want to move on from politics. They despise democracy and disdain a system that benefits anyone who isn't part of their exclusive circle. And for the record, their circle does not include Trump supporters - the maga-hat wearing rubes are just the tools that Trump is using to monopolize wealth and power for his immediate friends and family.

When Trump has achieved what he wants, there will be no more politics in the USA. There will only be the Great Leader and those who exist to serve him.

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[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 150 points 1 week ago (9 children)

must consider whether the displayed flag or banner illustrates or shows someone’s opinion, emotions, beliefs, or thoughts regarding politics, economics, society, faith, or religion.”

So that means nothing about Christianity then, right?

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure Jesus would be on board with the "everyone is welcome" message.

[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Actual Jesus would be in CECOT by now.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Given the demographic they are going after, I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that a few people named Jesus got sent to CECOT already

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 27 points 1 week ago

Time for the sartre quote again.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity

The assholes know what they are doing. They know they are hypocritical. They don't care. You cannot engage in conservatives/anti-semites/fascists/et al with reason because they will not argue in good faith. They are bad people. Selfish, fearful, people.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

No no no. You can't curtail HIS free speech!

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Seems to me like flags are usually political and/or ideological in nature... That's, like, one of the main reasons we use flags at all. The US flag is political, the Idaho flag is political, banners that say "Merry Christmas" are gonna have to be left out of schools, even "Happy Birthday" is going to read like religious favoritism to someone like a Jehovah's Witness. Especially if the Christofascist snowflakes can't even be bothered to put up with "Everybody is welcome here". Why would anyone else feel inclined to put up with their shit?

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[flag] Phonetic (Standard) IPA noun

a piece of cloth, varying in size, shape, color, and design, usually attached at one edge to a staff or cord, and used as the symbol of a nation, state, or organization, as a means of signaling, etc.; ensign; standard; banner; pennant.
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[–] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 75 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Conservatives hate anything that reminds them to be better humans, because they aren't.

[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I hate the whole conservative Christian doctrine. Saying you NEED religion or else you'll be a terrible person and do terrible things. It's like, goddamn I dont need religion to have morality and know what's right and wrong. And then these fuckers have the gall to say godless heathens are the evil ones while doing the exact things Jesus told them NOT to do!

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You’re looking at it completely wrong.

Fundamentally it doesn’t matter if you are a good person. Even the nicest most moral of us are sinners in the eyes of Christians.

What matters is that you are forgiven by god for your sins. Even if you lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery etc. Going to church and being absolved of your sins makes you a good person and welcome by god.

The worst people I have met are Christians for this very reason. They believe they have been absolved of their wrongs in the eyes of god and you have not.

[–] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago

Yeah.. that's even more fucked.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Lutheran private school: You will always be absolved of your sins when you ask forgiveness!

3rd grade me: What if I wait until I'm on my deathbed?

Lutheran private school: even then.

3rd grade me: What if I do horrible things my whole life and just repent at the end?

Lutheran private school: teacher shifts uncomfortably you'd really have to mean it and then what happens if you're in an accident and don't have time?

3rd grade me: quick math meme running through my head

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 61 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This is the tshirt I’m wearing today. Fuck Idaho.

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[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

WTF is the pledge of allegiance supposed to be when it says "under god" in it? How come we can't ban bibles and qurans from school? What are they?

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

Never understood how so many people just blindly stood and recited and the pledge in school. I stopped after 5th grade when I started to realize how fucked the system is

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fine. "Everyone except Evangelical Christians are welcome here."

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[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 41 points 1 week ago

Q: What about that massive photo of Trump and the backpack checks for DEI literature

A: That's fine why do you ask

[–] jwt@programming.dev 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Once upon a time, Stephen Colbert ('s character) uttering "It's a well known fact that reality has a liberal bias" was regarded as satire. Now, I wouldn't be so sure.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 13 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The party told you to reject your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

I think the core problem is politics. I've met left leaning people who are just as brainwashed as some conservatives.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

I've met uninformed and opinionated without a basis people who were left leaning, but I've never met anyone as cult-y as the MAGA. There is no way to get through to them--none. Their faces could be on fire, and they wouldn't put out the fire with water if water was proposed by the main-stream media to put out fires.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Maybe, but I’d rather be brainwashed and wrong in trying to treat others with empathy and decency, than be brainwashed and wrong and driven by hate for marginalised groups.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

I think that is a perfectly fair take. My point is that that world tends to be way more nuanced than the media and politicians want to admit.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Good! If Jesus were RESURRECTED Today we would NOT want Him seeing such FILTH as "Everyone Is Welcome Here"!

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Jesus was a Palestinian Jew. If He were present among us today, ICE would disappear Him to El Salvador (which is kind of ironic....)

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Kind of telling on themselves here, right? If "everyone is welcome" is an "ideology", kinda indicates the person labeling as such is against it. I say this because the societal norms on paper for every major philosophy or ideology would be in favor of that idea, and if it strikes you as staking a claim to something new, it probably took some mental effort to get to that conclusion. Would "be kind" be ideology? Technically yes I guess it is, but I doubt these people would be pissed about it and call it out like this. Are they asking for those cat posters saying "hang in there" to be taken down? That's preaching the "ideology" of persistence.

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[–] Fletcher@lemmy.today 22 points 1 week ago (6 children)

My list of reasons to never visit Idaho just keeps getting longer and longer.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, the signs are ideological, in that they conflict with the state-enforced ideology. Curiously, churches are getting in trouble discussing the beatitudes, since they (yes, Jesus' own words) are in conflict with the state-enforced ideology.

What is scary is when there's insufficient resistance to the state-enforced ideology that runs contrary to classic virtues / traditions of compassion, hospitality, mercy, etc. This is the banal evil that lets abductions, renderings, concentration camps and eventually genocide happen.

If you don't fight with banners today, you'll have to fight with guns tomorrow.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't say it's banal, though. It's pretty aggressively evil. And you write about "eventually genocide", when ethnic cleansing efforts are well underway already.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

For decades now, I'm been warning about the era of this regime, and got a lot of oh yeah? Where are the death camps?

Dachau was operative in 1933. The Wannsee Conference was in 1942, after which the Auschwitz model was replicated at other camps, and the final solution to the Jewish question was applied to the general contained population, rather than just disabled, mentally ill and gays.

So in the timeline of the German Reich, the death camps appeared rather late, and I tend to err on the side of understatement, even though officer involved killings, and punitive fatalities in US prisons have been routine for decades at a rate of ~1000/year

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 16 points 1 week ago

How does the “all lives matter” crowd feel about this?

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every political party and opinion is ideological. That's the very definition of the word. Using it as something pejorative is stupid.

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