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[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 63 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah personally I don't think Israel should have access to any more American Technology including missiles regardless of their use since they can be used offensively and they're currently committing a genocide.

Source: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/top-genocide-scholars-unanimous-israel-committing-genocide-gaza-investigation-finds

Until the Palestinians are free I think it's pretty apt to just reject all forms of aid to Israel.

Also there's quite a few people here defending "Zionism" which is disappointing to see.

Zionism has been described by several scholars as a form of settler colonialism in relation to the region of Palestine and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

Zionism's founders and early leaders were aware and unapologetic about their status as colonizers. Many early leading Zionists such as Theodor Herzl, Max Nordau, and Ze'ev Jabotinsky described Zionism as colonization.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism

[–] B1naryB0t@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's so astounding that the US sends aid to Israel to make sure their population has free healthcare/education, given what it looks like inside the US

[–] dastanktal@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

We sent them $17.9 billion since Oct 2023.

That money could easily pay for United States Social Services multiple times

[–] Terminus@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (2 children)

[–] Terminus@lemmy.world 79 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also the analogy doesn't make sense. AOC is not saying "hey mass shooter have a bulletproof vest." she's saying "hey officer, why don't you take away that mass shooter's gun instead of their bulletproof vest?"

[–] Infinite@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're right, but I believe what the commenter meant was "Perfect is the enemy of Good".

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago

Thanks :))))

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wearing armor grants you the privilege to start more fights. Israel's incentives for diplomacy are minimal and they exert their will unto others due to a lack of consequences.

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm about to be shit on as a Zionist for defending the death of innocent children, but here goes:

Isreal is just as full of innocent children. They don't deserve to die for the genocide their parents are being tricked into ignoring.

The armor is for those children. Not their parents. AOC is literally saying that defending the lives of innocents matter more than attacking genociders. When they are mixed together, you can't target one without the other.

So yeah, the Iron Dome protects genociders, but it also protects their kids and other innocent people. It actually protects civilians and their children far more than it protects the politicians who don't even live there.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I get your point, but my point was about Israel's privilege to act without consequences. If their children were put at risk by their genocidal actions, they might be incentivized to, I dunno, not be genocidal psychopaths.

[–] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Imagine its the USA commiting genocide and bombing Mexico or something, and you do not support the actions of your country but your family is only alive because of the iron dome protecting you from the bombs that are just flying over your heads between these two countries.

Your family, which neither country cares about, is who AOC and other people like us are thinking of.

We are not in favor of either country-- we are on the side of humanity.

[–] pale_tony@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

They are able to be belligerent and put their population at little risk because of the funding the US provides. It goes both ways. The narrative is so baked into our politics that it's incredibly difficult to divorce from the idea of providing non offensive aide as well.

The Knesset doesn't magically have broad support for continuing the genocide out of thin air. The US is accountable for all the terror we have wrought too, especially if our "accountable" politicians can vote for things like this and try to spin justification for it.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imagine you're in Mexico during that situation and watching people who support the US genocide feign neutrality and then claim they're on the side of humanity.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I understand what you're saying, and I agree with the intent, but I don't agree with it. If the people of Israel have to face consequences for their actions, they might take a stand and force their government to stop. They aren't innocent until they're doing what they can to force a cessation of the violence. As long as they feel safe they won't feel the pressure to stand up. I don't like it when people die, but I also recognize that sometimes it can save lives in the long-term.

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[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

Why isnt there an iron dome on the Palestinian side if she really thinks the lives of the innocent are so damn precious? It's great they want to protect the children of the oppressors, but not the ones being attacked unprovoked? What's stopping them from stepping up for the actual casualties?

Wow, so much humanity.

Fucking hypocrites always trying to do a mental gymnastic to justify their crimes against humanity.

But whatever makes you sleep better at night.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I will support giving defensive missiles at the same time we give the Palestinians military aid to defend themselves as well. Remember, the Palestinians have just as much right to armed self defense as the Israelis. In fact, the Palestinians obviously need a lot more defensive military tech than the Israelis. I'll support giving the Israelis defensive missiles after we've already given the Gazans so many that they can establish their own no fly zone over Gaza.

Obviously, if the goal is defending children, we need to start with the most vulnerable children first. We should send missile batteries to the Gazans first. After their safety is assured, then we can worry about the much richer much more powerful country.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

besides that.

If we don't help them finances the iron dome, they'll have to pay for it themselves, taking away of their genocidal project. although they will probably cut other services like free education or free healthcare. genociders dont deserve nice things.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Yup, they'll screw their population out of services before they give up their colonial conquests.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

Fuck Caitlin Johnstone. Up with AOC.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Something I started doing recently is anytime I see some moronic maga take on Tik tok or wherever, I’ll spam “Where are the Epstein files?” To every response. Makes me feel good that they can come up with a response to it.

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's the correct strategy. Populism must be fought with populism. Fully fleshed out logical arguments don't work on people that fall for "Biden did that".

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

The analogy is so stupid since the rockets fired at israel dont kill the people murdering palestinians. They kill everywhere they land.

So more fitting would be taking away the bullet proof wests of the people cowering down behind the mass shooter

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